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  • HAHOMETP
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    • Nov 2012
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    #1

    Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

    Hello, folks. I've done more than a few TVs and monitors in the past but this time around I am utterly puzzled. Perhaps somebody would chime in. I also searched the forum extensively and read all the relevant threads but couldn't find the answer.

    The patient is Olevia 265TFHD-T11. The blue power LED turns on when the TV is plugged into the AC outlet and turns off when the power button is pressed. The TV turns on fine, but the screen is completely dark. No logo. No 2 seconds to black. No faint picture on the screen under bright light. Nothing at all. I don't know its history and have no clue as to which symptoms if any had preceded its failure.

    No swollen capacitors anywhere. The Main PCB lights up like a Christmas tree and shows all the voltages listed for a good motherboard in this picture (Moderators: please let me know if I have stepped over the line by posting a link to a picture in another forum). Both PSUs are good as well, although one thing remains a mystery - more about this later.

    Since IME the flashlight test does not always produce reliable results, I first looked at the inverters/tubes. There are 36 of them (6 boards x 6 inverters). Not one had lit up my trusty home made diagnostic probe built around a neon bulb from an old power switch, a 120k ballast resistor, an empty Bic disposable pen, two #120 Singer sewing machine needles, two old Fluke test probes with wires and some heat shrink tubing. I don't believe in coincidences, much less in 36 of them in a row, so naturally I shifted the diagnostic efforts upstream.

    The 6 inverter PCBs are arranged in the following manner: 3 PCBs on each side, where 1 central PCB is bridged to 1 above and 1 below.

    In addition the left and the right central PCBs are bridged to each other with a harness comprised of 24 thin gauge all-white wires.

    In addition the left central inverter PCB (let's call it the Master Inverter PCB) also has a mystery 4-pin connector populated by identical thin gauge white wires. This small harness is connected to the T-Con PCB. No silkscreen labels on either side of this harness.

    All 6 inverter PCBs receive stable 24v (23.7v to be exact) via 10-pin harnesses (5 BLK and 5 RED wires in each) from the PSUs.

    There is no voltage ever present on either of the 24 pins of the all-white harness in either OFF or ON state.

    There is no voltage ever present on either of the 4 pins of the all-white mystery harness in either OFF or ON state.

    After turning ON one of the green LEDs (D202) on the Main PCB lights up with a 2 second delay relative to the other LEDs on this board and as soon as it does +4.2v (Pin PSON on the PSU) appear on the Brown wire between the Main PCB and the PSU. However this +4.2v signal (or any voltage other than +23.7v for that matter) is nowhere to be found on either of the 6 inverter PCBs. Since the only connection between the inverters and the rest of the TV is the Mystery 4-pin all white connector, that goes from the Master Inverter PCB to the T-Con PCB, I'd hazard a guess that the Main PCB sends the control signal to turn on the inverters (and receives the feedback "LAMP IS GOOD" from each of them) via the T-Con PCB. Am I correct in this assumption? If yes, how can I troubleshoot this further? Both boards are rather expensive to replace, and on top of that the Main PCB seems to be out of stock in the whole of the USA.

    Since this TV set is huge and heavy I have to work in situ in a poorly lit room. I don't like to use flash on PCBs as it would provide more glare than useful information and I can't take pictures under natural light - it is just too dark in there. Moderators: do you feel it would be appropriate for me to use existing pictures of the very same boards from other posters floating around this forum?

    Thanks in advance for any information!
    Last edited by HAHOMETP; 05-25-2013, 12:35 PM.
  • tom66
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    #2
    Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

    Do each of your inverter boards only have 24V in from the main board? No control signals like BLON? Some T-con boards have synchronisation signals which keep the inverter in step with the T-con. The idea is to limit apparent flicker and improve apparent motion response by blinking the backlight between frames.
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    • HAHOMETP
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      #3
      Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

      Thanks for the reply, tom66. Yes, that is correct. Each of my inverter boards only have 24V in from the PSUs.

      You have reinforced my suspicion that T-Con is somehow involved in turning the inverters on. I read about this before, just never encountered this design in real life.

      Also, yet another mystery lies in the PSUs. All pins in all connectors produce voltages consistent with their silksreen labeling except for the following 3 in the attached picture:
      VLAMP (feedback from the CCFLs?)
      VBL (voltage to the inverters?)
      VBRI (brightness control?)

      They show no voltage whatsoever regardless whether the TV is ON or OFF.

      This TV has two identical PSUs. One has wires connecting the above pins to the CN2 on the Main PCB:
      Pin 10 => YEL - VBRI
      Pin 11 => BLU - VBL
      Pin 12 => WHT - VLAMP

      The second one does not. Neither PSU shows any voltage on either of these three pins regardless whether the TV is ON or OFF. Swapping the PSUs did not change a thing.

      What mystifies me further still is that this picture of a good motherboard also shows that these three pins do not carry any voltage. So why were they put there with such descriptive silkscreen labels in the first place if they do not have any function?
      Attached Files

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      • tom66
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        #4
        Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

        Can we see some pictures of your boards?

        Using external pictures is OK, but we prefer to see your own, because there can be minor changes that make a big difference, and sometimes there can be obvious failures that we can spot, but that you would not necessarily have noticed.
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        • HAHOMETP
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          #5
          Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

          I have attached a .pdf file with a picture of my Main PCB with commentaries but like I said, the quality is horrible.
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          Last edited by HAHOMETP; 05-25-2013, 06:12 PM.

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          • tom66
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            #6
            Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

            OK, the layout makes more sense to me. Sharp made the panel in this TV. They are quite the leader in massive LCD tech. Anyway, can we have a picture of the T-con? I'm thinking that there may be a fault there.

            As to why the diagram of a good motherboard does not show voltages on those pins, perhaps it was in standby at the time?
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            • HAHOMETP
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              #7
              Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

              OK, I will shoot a T-Con picture after the long weekend (it's the Memorial Day weekend here in the States). The TV is at my friend's house. I'll grab the wife's DSLR and crank up the ISO as much as I can - perhaps I'll be able to produce a better picture.

              If the good PCB on another forum were in Stanby mode, then why there's +4.2v present on the PSON pin in the PSU? I have attached a better picture of the PSU with my commentaries.

              Oh, and thank you for bearing with me so far tom66. It's way past midnight in the UK and I am hoping that I am not the reason why you're still up this late.
              Attached Files
              Last edited by HAHOMETP; 05-25-2013, 06:53 PM.

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              • tom66
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                #8
                Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                I am a student; there is no "bed time" in between the golden ages of 18 to 22.

                Can you show me a picture of where the power connectors actually go out to the inverter as well? I am thinking that those lines there are a relic for smaller screen sizes where the control signals are routed through the PSU to the inverter to reduce wiring clutter. Does this TV use one power supply, or multiple? Older Olevia 65" had two power supplies in them.
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                • HAHOMETP
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                  #9
                  Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                  Oh yeah, I vividly remember how in university years I managed to go on for months without getting a good night sleep. Still, I really appreciate you doing this for me.

                  Yes indeed this TV set has two identical PSUs. I have attached a file showing both.
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                  • tom66
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                    #10
                    Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                    Can you show a detailed look around the 24V connectors going to the inverter? Is there any place for inverters with 24V and VBRI/VBL/VLAMP etc., but it is not used?
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                    • HAHOMETP
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                      #11
                      Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                      I'll try to take a few pictures Tuesday. Also the more I think about it the more I suspect the Main PCB to be the culprit. Weather.com predicts a nice partly cloudy day with 25°C for Tuesday in Philadelphia. I'll remove the Main PCB (and the T-Con PCB for a good measure), take them outside and shoot a few high resolution pictures.

                      Have a great weekend, tom66! Thanks for your help and best of luck to you in your studies. See you here in a couple of days.

                      P.S. BTW, is there a statue of limitation of some sort on editing one's own posts? I amended the MainPCB.pdf file and wanted to replace the one a few posts above but the system no longer allows me to do so. I am attaching this amended file to this message. Just didn't want to multiply entities thus creating unnecessary clutter.
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                      Last edited by HAHOMETP; 05-26-2013, 09:12 AM. Reason: Added attachement

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                      • tom66
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                        #12
                        Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                        I have almost finished my first year, just a week left. Nice and sunny in Leeds at present.

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                        • HAHOMETP
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                          Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                          Been to London many times but never ventured further North than Stratford-upon-Avon (to see Much Ado About Nothing) in THE place to see it. Whenever I went to the UK the weather always was dry and sunny believe it or not.
                          Last edited by HAHOMETP; 05-26-2013, 11:22 AM.

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                          • tom66
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                            #14
                            Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                            I for one am enjoying the annual 3 days of sunny weather.
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                            • HAHOMETP
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                              #15
                              Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                              So per information provided by LBH in the adjacent Olevia thread the lack of any voltage on the three mystery wires Pin 10 (YEL/VBRI), Pin 11 (BLU/VBL) and Pin 12 (WHT/VLAMP) appears to be normal.

                              OTOH per information provided by mcross in yet another adjacent Olevia thread Pin 11 (BLU/VBL) shows 2.3v. His is a different TV, so it might be some other pin number on his main board, but his power supply is identical to mine.

                              Now I am completely lost.

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                              • HAHOMETP
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                                Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                                Originally posted by tom66
                                Can you show a detailed look around the 24V connectors going to the inverter? Is there any place for inverters with 24V and VBRI/VBL/VLAMP etc., but it is not used?
                                I took some pictures. Please see the attached file.
                                Attached Files

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                                • tom66
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                                  It would appear the inverters do not use those control signals and they may well go through the T-con board.
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                                  • budm
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                                    Can we see the pictures of the whole back side of the TV? I would like to see how the two connectors with white wires on the inverter board are connected to, and any labeling on those two connectors.
                                    Also good clear pictures of the inverter boards.
                                    Last edited by budm; 05-31-2013, 09:12 AM.
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                                    • HAHOMETP
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                                      Please see the attached files.
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                                      • tom66
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Dead Olevia 265TFHD-T11

                                        22.7V is low for a 24V line. It may be enough to keep the inverters off. If you disconnect the inverters, does the 22.7V rise closer to 24V?
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