LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #41
    Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

    That is fine, the PFC is switching off.
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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    • Baileybum1234
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      • Sep 2012
      • 245
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      #42
      Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

      Wow something works!
      Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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      • Baileybum1234
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        • Sep 2012
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        #43
        Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

        so why does it go nuts when I plug in the Y-sus and Z-sus boards?
        Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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        • tom66
          EVs Rule
          • Apr 2011
          • 32560
          • UK

          #44
          Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

          Perhaps the low 3.5V is causing problems with the rest of the logic.
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          • ben7
            Capaholic
            • Jan 2011
            • 4059
            • USA

            #45
            Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

            Originally posted by tom66
            That is fine, the PFC is switching off.
            I don't think it is fine for it to be jumping all over the place when its in the TV, right?
            Muh-soggy-knee

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            • Baileybum1234
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              • Sep 2012
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              #46
              Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

              Another area I have a question mark over:

              ACDETECT with the board dissconnected from the TV jumps about with the clicking but never over 1v?

              maybe a clue to you guys?

              When I connect the board to the TV it gets the 3.5VDC somehow.
              Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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              • Baileybum1234
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                • Sep 2012
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                #47
                Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                Originally posted by ben7
                I don't think it is fine for it to be jumping all over the place when its in the TV, right?
                I would expect it to be stable when working.
                Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                • ben7
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                  • Jan 2011
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                  #48
                  Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                  Originally posted by Baileybum1234
                  I would expect it to be stable when working.
                  Me too.

                  What does the manual say about the ACDETECT? I.E., does it say that when AC is detected, the ACDETECT pin is high? low? what about if there is a power failure (AC power drops out, due to power outage, or being unplugged)?
                  Muh-soggy-knee

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                  • Baileybum1234
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                    • Sep 2012
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                    • UK

                    #49
                    Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                    AC Detect is generated on the SMPS, by rectifying a small sample of the
                    A/C Line at D102 and associated circuitry and routed to the Controller (IC701) where it outputs at pin 15 and sent to P813
                    pin 18 to the Main Board where it is sensed and monitored by the Main Microprocessor (IC1). The AC Detin this set works differently than most. If AC Det is missing the Microprocessor will turn off the television in about 10 seconds after turn on.
                    This will happen each time turn on is attempted.
                    Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                    • Baileybum1234
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                      • Sep 2012
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                      #50
                      Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                      PIN:18
                      LABEL:AC Det
                      STBY:5V
                      RUN:5V
                      DIODE MODE:Open
                      Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                      • ben7
                        Capaholic
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 4059
                        • USA

                        #51
                        Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                        Originally posted by Baileybum1234
                        AC Detect is generated on the SMPS, by rectifying a small sample of the
                        A/C Line at D102 and associated circuitry and routed to the Controller (IC701) where it outputs at pin 15 and sent to P813
                        pin 18 to the Main Board where it is sensed and monitored by the Main Microprocessor (IC1). The AC Detin this set works differently than most. If AC Det is missing the Microprocessor will turn off the television in about 10 seconds after turn on.
                        This will happen each time turn on is attempted.
                        That would mean that when there is AC, the ACDETECT would be high, as it is when the mainboard is connected in your case.

                        I don't know why it would be low with no mainboard, but I think some of the filter caps next to the small heatsink on the bottom right could be dried up inside.
                        Muh-soggy-knee

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                        • Baileybum1234
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                          • Sep 2012
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                          #52
                          Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                          ok the 3 capasitors? I will remove and test tomorrow. It looks like there is another rectifier, an IC and another thing with 3 legs fitted to the heat sink.

                          So it this like another 5v supply circuit and those capasitors are filtering out noise?
                          Last edited by Baileybum1234; 11-25-2012, 03:35 PM. Reason: grammer
                          Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                          • Baileybum1234
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                            • Sep 2012
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                            #53
                            Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                            Manual said its the STBY 5V, 5V, 12V Source
                            Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                            • ben7
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                              • Jan 2011
                              • 4059
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                              #54
                              Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                              Originally posted by Baileybum1234
                              Manual said its the STBY 5V, 5V, 12V Source
                              They are saying that the 5v standby is derived from 12v [standby]?

                              I think there could definitely be an issue with the capacitors.

                              Can you take a close up of that side of the board? So we can see the ICs/rectifiers part numbers?
                              Muh-soggy-knee

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                              • Baileybum1234
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                                • Sep 2012
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                                #55
                                Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                                Originally posted by ben7
                                They are saying that the 5v standby is derived from 12v [standby]?

                                I think there could definitely be an issue with the capacitors.

                                Can you take a close up of that side of the board? So we can see the ICs/rectifiers part numbers?
                                Hope these are good enough.
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                                Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                                • Baileybum1234
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                                  • Sep 2012
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                                  #56
                                  Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                                  Do you need the back also?
                                  Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                                  • ben7
                                    Capaholic
                                    • Jan 2011
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                                    #57
                                    Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                                    Originally posted by Baileybum1234
                                    Do you need the back also?
                                    Sure, wouldn't hurt!
                                    Muh-soggy-knee

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                                    • Baileybum1234
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                                      • Sep 2012
                                      • 245
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                                      #58
                                      Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                                      MANUAL:

                                      AC Voltage is supplied to the SMPS Board at Connector SC101 from the AC Input assembly. Standby 5V is developed from
                                      160V source supply (which during run measures 380V measured fromthe primary fuse F302).
                                      This supply is also used to generate all other voltages on the SMPS.
                                      The STBY5V (standby) is B+ for the Controller (IC701) on the SMPS and output at P813 pins 11 and 23 then sent to the
                                      Main board for Microprocessor (IC1) operation.
                                      Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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                                      • tom66
                                        EVs Rule
                                        • Apr 2011
                                        • 32560
                                        • UK

                                        #59
                                        Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                                        If possible. I suspect the 5V MAIN is derived off here...

                                        If the 12V is also low by about the same amount (30%), then the suspect would be the primary side, controller IC, or TL431.

                                        I say TL431 because I now recall budm had a Samsung monitor with low rails, and it turned out to be the TL431 (voltage reference IC; for the feedback loop.)
                                        Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
                                        For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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                                        • Baileybum1234
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                                          • Sep 2012
                                          • 245
                                          • UK

                                          #60
                                          Re: LG 50PQ6000 unstable 5v standby

                                          Rear of low voltage board area.
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                                          Repaired: LG50PQ6000

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