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  • Ryu.Hayabusa
    Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 12
    • Japan

    #1

    Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

    Model: Samsung HP-S4253

    Well, I broke my plasma thanks to me using a metal screwdriver to adjust a pot (Y-FR), but missed and hit a resistor + grounded heatsink instead. Once that happened I got a big spark. After that the panel had tons of "sparklies", or red/green/blue pixels that flash all over the screen, which looks a bit like static. The colors for the picture are somewhat off and have some vertical banding, which makes me think the panel is now being overdriven.

    The pot that I was attempting to adjust appears to no longer change anything on the screen as it used to, however the other 2 pots on the upper part of the board still function.

    I thought I identified the problem as being a bad MOSFET since doing the diode/resistance measurements on the one closest to the pot versus an identical one on the board near the other pots gave different results, and when the TV was on the heatsink was barely warm while the others are quite hot. So I got a close enough replacement to it, fired it up and not much changed in the picture or the heatsink temp.

    The resistor I hit with the screwdriver is a surface mount '3R0'. I checked the value in-circuit and got a reading of over 4 MegaOhms, which is way off from where it should be. I also disovered a zener diode close by that gives a shorted reading on the multimeter (0.000v). The pot reads the same range as the other ones which are identical, ~0.3ohm to ~1kohm (~ = approximately).

    I have read that testing resistors in circuit may not be reliable, though all of the other surface mount resistors read as they should except for one other that was marked '104', which was also off by a large amount.

    The questions I have so far are:
    1. Is testing resistors in-circuit reliable? What about MOSFETs? What about diodes?
    2. The zener diode has color bands on it, how can I identify what replacement part I need based off that. I tried looking up parts based on the number/letter combo chart I found online but that yielding nothing on mouser.

    Sorry for the long and probably confusing post, it's a bit hard to condense it all. If pictures or more info is needed let me know.
    Thanks!
    Last edited by Ryu.Hayabusa; 11-01-2012, 01:25 AM.
  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #2
    Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

    I have not heard of a zener with colour bands before.

    In general, you can check for shorts on the board, you do not need to remove the components.

    Were you attempting to reduce the black level? I have heard of doing this before. It often gets you a bit deeper blacks but requires fine tuning.
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    • Ryu.Hayabusa
      Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 12
      • Japan

      #3
      Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

      Yeah that is exactly what I was doing. That and attempting to get rid of this blue static that appears after ~1hr of use. That was apparently a common fault of this model since others had reported the same thing and said that a fan on the back left of the TV fixed it. A fan did fix it but so did adjusting one pot (forgot which one now).

      Anyway, the part is labeled ZD, while other diodes are labeled D, so I just assumed it was a zener.

      If you could identify it for me I would be very grateful since I am about to order a replacement and would hate to get the wrong part.

      I did find this chart that explained color bands on Zener diodes:
      http://www.marsport.org.uk/smd/sod80.htm

      And this is the closest replacement I could find on Mouser:
      http://www.mouser.com/Search/Product...key512-FLZ18VB
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      Last edited by Ryu.Hayabusa; 11-01-2012, 10:18 AM.

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      • Jerry7591
        Member
        • Aug 2011
        • 30
        • USA

        #4
        Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

        http://www.datasheetarchive.com/smd%...datasheet.html This might help

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        • tom66
          EVs Rule
          • Apr 2011
          • 32560
          • UK

          #5
          Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

          Interesting. Colour bands on zeners are new to me...

          Assuming it's like a resistor colour code, I read it green yellow red, which means 542, or 54 x 10^2 = 54000. Which would be 54,000V. That is definitely not correct!

          I would suspect the colour code might have a different meaning than what I expect!
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          • Ryu.Hayabusa
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            • Nov 2012
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            #6
            Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

            @Jerry7591: Looked around on datasheetarchive, so far no luck.

            @tom66: I'm starting to think it might be proprietary to the OEM. Is there another way to figure out what voltage this thing is? There are a few others on the board thar seem ok.

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            • Jerry7591
              Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 30
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

              5.4 volts. not sure. are there any the same that you can read on cat end and see what they are running at on another board if u can't power that one up. If you can find this maybe it will help. Could even be 54volts. Hope this helps you.

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              • ben7
                Capaholic
                • Jan 2011
                • 4059
                • USA

                #8
                Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                The red band is fattest, so starting from there we get 245. So either a 24.5v zener, or a 2.45v zener. Not sure which, but my guess is a 2.45v zener.
                Muh-soggy-knee

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                • tom66
                  EVs Rule
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 32560
                  • UK

                  #9
                  Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                  But that's really precise. Most zeners are made with 5% tolerance.
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                  • ben7
                    Capaholic
                    • Jan 2011
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                    #10
                    Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                    Originally posted by tom66
                    But that's really precise. Most zeners are made with 5% tolerance.
                    Maybe the 5 means 5% tolerance? That would make it only a 2.4v zener
                    Muh-soggy-knee

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                    • selldoor
                      Slow Learner
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 7870

                      #11
                      Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                      Is this any help

                      http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/252...Diode-markings

                      Red Yellow green suggests it may be 18volts?
                      Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                      • Ryu.Hayabusa
                        Member
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 12
                        • Japan

                        #12
                        Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                        Thanks everyone for the suggestions/info!

                        Zeners are cheap enough I can buy a bunch of values, only question is what is the worst case if the zener is too high or too low? I would like to avoid blowing up other sections of the board if possible since thankfully (hopefully? lol) this seems to be isolated to a few components.

                        Going to re-assemble the TV and see what voltage is being fed into that area, may help to narrow it down.

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                        • ben7
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                          • Jan 2011
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                          #13
                          Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                          Originally posted by selldoor
                          Is this any help

                          http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/252...Diode-markings

                          Red Yellow green suggests it may be 18volts?
                          Yeah, thats a good find selldoor!
                          Muh-soggy-knee

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                          • Ryu.Hayabusa
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                            • Nov 2012
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                            #14
                            Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                            Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for your help!

                            I replaced the bad zener diode (18v) and resistor 3R0 (2.2Ohm worked) and it's now working close to what it was before.

                            I unfortunately destroyed one of the pots trying to desolder it to get it out of the way, and lifted a pad, but after surface soldering a new one, it worked out just fine.

                            And I'm not sure if anyone is already aware of this (I wasn't), but a bad resistor can cause other resistors to give false readings. A resistor near by labeled 104 (if I remember correctly) was reading quite a bit lower than it should have. After desoldering, the reading was normal.

                            Anyway, thank you again!

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                            • tom66
                              EVs Rule
                              • Apr 2011
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                              #15
                              Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                              Great that you fixed it!
                              Going to tweak the MLL again? :P
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                              • Ryu.Hayabusa
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                                #16
                                Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                                Originally posted by tom66
                                Great that you fixed it!
                                Going to tweak the MLL again? :P
                                Haha, well I tried but the display still has dark green sparklies on black screens, so once I get that adjusted, I think ill call it good.

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                                • andocommando
                                  Member
                                  • Feb 2012
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Broken Plasma TV (Need a bit of help troubleshooting + identifying part)

                                  glad you got it fixed!

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