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  • c_hegge
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2009
    • 5219
    • Australia

    #901
    Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

    No, it looks like a Keerda (Logisys)
    I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

    No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

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    • ben7
      Capaholic
      • Jan 2011
      • 4059
      • USA

      #902
      Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

      Is it me, or does the capacitor next to the 3.3V (orange) wires in picture 8 look like it has pushed it's bung out, without bulging?
      Muh-soggy-knee

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      • goodpsusearch
        Badcaps Legend
        • Oct 2009
        • 2848
        • Greece

        #903
        Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

        Originally posted by ben7
        Is it me, or does the capacitor next to the 3.3V (orange) wires in picture 8 look like it has pushed it's bung out, without bulging?
        Excelent observation! I haven't noticed it But now that I checked it you are absolutely right! It seems that the cap tried to fly to the moon

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        • ben7
          Capaholic
          • Jan 2011
          • 4059
          • USA

          #904
          Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

          Originally posted by goodpsusearch
          Excelent observation! I haven't noticed it But now that I checked it you are absolutely right! It seems that the cap tried to fly to the moon
          Haha!

          Strange that it doesn't show a hint of bulging on the top... lol
          Muh-soggy-knee

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          • goodpsusearch
            Badcaps Legend
            • Oct 2009
            • 2848
            • Greece

            #905
            Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

            I have seen that before. I can't blame those caps for bulging though.

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            • momaka
              master hoarder
              • May 2008
              • 12164
              • Bulgaria

              #906
              Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

              Originally posted by goodpsusearch
              I think this belongs here
              Oh, yes it does for sure

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              • c_hegge
                Badcaps Legend
                • Sep 2009
                • 5219
                • Australia

                #907
                Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                I wouldn't be surprised if that thing couldn't deliver 1W with the ripple in spec from day 1.
                I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

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                • PeteS in CA
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 3578
                  • USA, Unsure of Planet

                  #908
                  Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                  What a gutless POS! 450W? For how many picoseconds?! 200W might have been pushing one's luck! And judging by the toasty wires on those O/P inductors, some one did try to get significant current from that thing (I think that inductor wire that is lifted from the PCB, if it wasn't desoldered for troubleshooting, may have gotten hot enough to desolder itself). The O/P inductors' cores probably were hot for a long time and their magnetic properties have probably changed significantly. I would suggest either stripping off the wire from the things for recycling or simply trashing those inductors along with the rest of that alleged power supply! Don't reuse those O/P inductors for anything you care about!
                  Last edited by PeteS in CA; 01-04-2014, 10:22 AM.
                  PeteS in CA

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                  • goodpsusearch
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 2848
                    • Greece

                    #909
                    Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                    The fan stopped moving and the rest you know... It was powering a Pentium D with Nvidia 8800 or 8600...

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                    • tmiha71
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 130

                      #910
                      Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                      It was powering a Pentium D with Nvidia 8800 or 8600...
                      And The mobo was

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                      • Pentium4
                        CapXon Be Gone
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 3741
                        • USA

                        #911
                        Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                        Definitely Keerda. At least they used the ST rectifier on the 12V. But there isn't much good to say about that power supply... At least it has half an input filter?

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                        • Th3_uN1Qu3
                          Believe in
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 6031
                          • Romania

                          #912
                          Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                          They don't get much more gutless than this... Wonder what's up with the caps tho, as the warranty seal wasn't broken.
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                          A working TV? How boring!

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                          • mariushm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • May 2011
                            • 3799

                            #913
                            Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                            On the upside, quite a lot of space between primary and secondary, lots of space between high voltage traces, room for additional filtering on primary side, big heatsinks, no two diodes treatment for 12v....

                            Shame the main transformer is so weak.

                            Why did it die, can't figure it out (that inductor is obvious but what made it burn) ?

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                            • Behemot
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 4845
                              • CZ

                              #914
                              Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                              Most likely somebody pulling too much from it?
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                              • Th3_uN1Qu3
                                Believe in
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 6031
                                • Romania

                                #915
                                Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                                Originally posted by mariushm
                                Why did it die, can't figure it out (that inductor is obvious but what made it burn) ?
                                Partially seized fan. The caps didn't have time to cook fortunately. 5vsb was fine, so i replaced the output inductor and it fired right up. Went back in the computer, coz well, owner was cheap.

                                Powered a 1.6GHz Celeron 420, 1GB RAM, Geforce 7200 and a single hard drive, so not much load on it. But it was still a pathetic PSU. 12A fast recovery on 12v, linear regulator with MOSFET for 3.3v (hey, at least it supplies clean power), and the diode on the 5v had its part number scraped off. Most likely 30A judging by its size. Seen worse, but still pathetic... The diode on the 5vsb is a joke tho, that looks like a 2 amp job at most. At least they left its leads long so it has a chance to catch some cool air.
                                Last edited by Th3_uN1Qu3; 01-07-2014, 02:28 PM.
                                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                A working TV? How boring!

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                                • kaboom
                                  "Oh, Grouchy!"
                                  • Jan 2011
                                  • 2507
                                  • USA

                                  #916
                                  Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                  Partially seized fan.
                                  Those output inductors are rather stressed in these cheep POSes, more so than even in "StupidPowers." Linkworlds were like this- good sized transformer, but the too-small output inductor would "smell" below rated output. The 12V windings were too small upon examination. Too much load on +12 for too long would easily result in shorted turns. And cooked cores and blown switchers.


                                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                  The caps didn't have time to cook fortunately. 5vsb was fine, so i replaced the output inductor and it fired right up. Went back in the computer, coz well, owner was cheap.
                                  What else is new? At least you got to fix it and save the computer. As you know, some people are content to run their stuff on raw AC, as supplied by a Deer!

                                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                  Powered a 1.6GHz Celeron 420, 1GB RAM, Geforce 7200 and a single hard drive, so not much load on it. But it was still a pathetic PSU. 12A fast recovery on 12v, linear regulator with MOSFET for 3.3v (hey, at least it supplies clean power), and the diode on the 5v had its part number scraped off. Most likely 30A judging by its size. Seen worse, but still pathetic... The diode on the 5vsb is a joke tho, that looks like a 2 amp job at most. At least they left its leads long so it has a chance to catch some cool air.
                                  Aww... From the days when 5VSB was still an afterthought.

                                  What were hiding with all that grinding?? I mean, they could've actually made it "challenging," by grinding that PWM IC.

                                  "LOW ESR." Compared to what, an open ckt?

                                  I suppose I could "rap" now... bwahaha
                                  Last edited by kaboom; 01-07-2014, 04:37 PM.
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                                  • Pentium4
                                    CapXon Be Gone
                                    • Sep 2011
                                    • 3741
                                    • USA

                                    #917
                                    Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame



                                    I imagine that "Zhila" cap (the 4.7uF 50V one) next to that resistor and 13007 isn't long for this world, assuming you didn't replace it.

                                    That is indeed a horrible PSU, but the system it was in is probably <100W at all times, so I bet even ripple is in spec. Nice save though

                                    Did you re-oil that fan or put a different one in there?

                                    Edit: LOL @ the label right below the brand name "Demand More"
                                    Last edited by Pentium4; 01-07-2014, 05:03 PM.

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                                    • c_hegge
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Sep 2009
                                      • 5219
                                      • Australia

                                      #918
                                      Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                                      Originally posted by kaboom
                                      Those output inductors are rather stressed in these cheep POSes, more so than even in "StupidPowers." Linkworlds were like this- good sized transformer, but the too-small output inductor would "smell" below rated output. The 12V windings were too small upon examination. Too much load on +12 for too long would easily result in shorted turns. And cooked cores and blown switchers.
                                      I was gonna say, There's more to it than just the fan. Take the Delta GPS-300AP I posted here on page 7 for example. The fan on that one was completely stuck, the PCB was badly darkened and just about every single cap was vented. However, the toroid coils are still fine. It's in my parents PC now with the original main toroid coil.
                                      Last edited by c_hegge; 01-07-2014, 05:05 PM.
                                      I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                                      No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

                                      Main PC: Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz, Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H-MVP, 8GB Kingston HyperX DDR3 1600, 240GB Intel 335 Series SSD, 750GB WD HDD, Sony Optiarc DVD RW, Palit nVidia GTX660 Ti, CoolerMaster N200 Case, Delta DPS-600MB 600W PSU, Hauppauge TV Tuner, Windows 7 Home Premium

                                      Office PC: HP ProLiant ML150 G3, 2x Xeon E5335 2GHz, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 120GB Intel 530 SSD, 2x 250GB HDD, 2x 450GB 15K SAS HDD in RAID 1, 1x 2TB HDD, nVidia 8400GS, Delta DPS-650BB 650W PSU, Windows 7 Pro

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                                      • momaka
                                        master hoarder
                                        • May 2008
                                        • 12164
                                        • Bulgaria

                                        #919
                                        Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                                        Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                        They don't get much more gutless than this...
                                        Awwww, what a cute little transformer!
                                        Who's a cute transformer?... You are a little cute transformer... Oh yes you are! Oh yes you are

                                        Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                                        Wonder what's up with the caps tho, as the warranty seal wasn't broken.
                                        Maybe it was refurbed by some Chinese company with whatever used caps they could find from junk/e-waste?
                                        Other than that, I really have no clue.

                                        Originally posted by kaboom
                                        What were hiding with all that grinding??
                                        Those should be 30A 45V rectifiers. But I imagine it's probably the same deal as with RAM modules from "lesser" known manufacturers... i.e. these particular rectifiers were likely bought on the black market or under the counter from some manufacturer who had a bunch of parts that didn't quite meet specification (i.e. refused parts).

                                        Given the cap brands, this PSU is one hell of a "late night shift" job anyways. So for the time being, I will stick with that theory.

                                        Originally posted by Pentium4
                                        Edit: LOL @ the label right below the brand name "Demand More"
                                        Really funny indeed. With that small transformer and that cooked torroid, they really should change that to "Do NOT demand more" . Or "Demand More. We dare you"
                                        Last edited by momaka; 01-07-2014, 10:18 PM.

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                                        • Behemot
                                          Badcaps Legend
                                          • Dec 2009
                                          • 4845
                                          • CZ

                                          #920
                                          Re: the gutless, bloated, and fried power supply hall of shame

                                          Maybe it has something to do with the labeled wattage?
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