Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • vestaviascott
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2018
    • 100
    • United States

    #1

    Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

    I got this bike really cheap in hopes I could bring it back to life. Its a Nautilus GX 2.7 Exercise bike. Cosmetically it looks like its never been used. However, the panel is dead and won't even light up when power is applied. I'm new to electronics troubleshooting but I really want to learn the basics. I feel like its a skill that I really want to invest time to learn.

    I've taken the panel apart to visually check it over, but to my untrained eye I see no red flags.

    I've included some pics below to help illustrate what I'm working with.

    The first thing I'm trying to do is determine if the panel is even getting power or not and I need some help to determine how to test that. I do have a multimeter and I know how to test for continuity on a fuse, but a wiring harness presents some different challenges I need to figure out.

    Pics follow:

    The bike:



    The power requirements are 9 volts 2 amps:




    The power adapter (bought from Amazon. The bike came without a power adapter):



    The power connection that the adapter plugs into at the front bottom of the bike:



    The power input harness at the front bottom of the bike:



    The end of the harness that attaches to the panel console at the top of the bike:



    The panel interface that the connector in the pic above plugs into:



    The panel connection (the top connector is disconnected in this pic. It goes to the pulse sensor on the handlebar):



    The panel console:



    The open panel console:



    A closer look at the console panel:





    Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-26-2018, 09:13 PM.
  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

    1) So the red power connector has 3 wires? RED/WHITE/BLACK red?
    2) Is that the correct power supply? Did you verify the polarity requirement of the center pin?
    3) Where does the power supply cord go to? I do not see which connector it fits into.
    4) Pictures #6 looks like the terminal for the Black wire with white stripe is coming off the connector.
    Last edited by budm; 08-26-2018, 09:34 PM.
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

    Comment

    • Curious.George
      Badcaps Legend
      • Nov 2011
      • 2305
      • Unknown

      #3
      Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

      Originally posted by vestaviascott
      I got this bike really cheap in hopes I could bring it back to life. Its a Nautilus GX 2.7 Exercise bike. Cosmetically it looks like its never been used.
      <grin> It probably HASN'T! Exercise bikes tend to fall out of favor pretty quickly with their owners...

      However, the panel is dead and won't even light up when power is applied.
      ...
      The power requirements are 9 volts 2 amps:

      The power adapter (bought from Amazon. The bike came without a power adapter):
      Interesting way to spell "Caution"!

      First thing you'll notice is that the power adapter has *two* conductors -- the outer "sleeve" and the inner contact. The illustration on the adapter shows that the sleeve is "-" and the inner contact is "+". (Get this polarity wrong -- backwards -- and you'll likely toast whatever you plug it into!)

      With your VOM/DMM on the ~20V DC scale, you should be able to verify something akin to +9V (undoubtedly HIGHER!) is present when you insert the positive DMM lead into the inner contact and hold the negative lead against the outer sleeve.

      If you don't see voltage (and the correct polarity), your adapter is defective (unlikely given that it is "new"). Or, you aren't making good contact with one or both DMM leads.

      If you see a negative voltage, then you may have the leads swapped at the DMM (red is positive, black negative).

      The power connection that the adapter plugs into at the front bottom of the bike:
      First question you should be asking yourself is: two conductors from power adapter but THREE wires on wiring harness! What's the third wire doing??

      (It's unclear from your photos when the third wire comes into existence -- is it "here" or after this next photo?)

      The power input harness at the front bottom of the bike:

      The end of the harness that attaches to the panel console at the top of the bike:
      Next question is how you magically went from *3* wires to *10*??!

      Ans: there's something in the bowels of the bike that you've not yet seen!

      You need to make a little diagram showing the two wire power adapter on one end of the page and the 10 wire connector on the other side of the page. Then, dig through the bike until you can see where those two wires morphed into those 10!

      Comment

      • vestaviascott
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2018
        • 100
        • United States

        #4
        Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

        Originally posted by budm
        1) So the red power connector has 3 wires? RED/WHITE/BLACK red?
        Red, White, Black with white line

        Originally posted by budm
        2) Is that the correct power supply? Did you verify the polarity requirement of the center pin?
        I ordered the adapter from amazon:

        https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01598AE3A/

        It was specified as a replacement for this specific bike. I did not verify the center pin polarity because i had/have no reference for what it should be. A service manual for this bike would be golden but I cannot locate one.

        Originally posted by budm
        3) Where does the power supply cord go to? I do not see which connector it fits into.


        Below: Pic taken of harness assembly as it comes into bike from the barrel plug in pic above. The harness connects to the resistance motor and the speed sensor, then runs into the white wrapped cable that goes up to the panel console at the handlebars.




        Originally posted by budm
        4) Pictures #6 looks like the terminal for the Black wire with white stripe is coming off the connector.
        That is correct, the black wire with white stripe (or white wire with black stripe, they are about equal in prominance) originates at the plugin harness at the bottom of the bike (from the first pic I posted in this reply)
        Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-27-2018, 01:11 PM.

        Comment

        • vestaviascott
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2018
          • 100
          • United States

          #5
          Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

          Originally posted by Curious.George
          With your VOM/DMM on the ~20V DC scale, you should be able to verify something akin to +9V (undoubtedly HIGHER!) is present when you insert the positive DMM lead into the inner contact and hold the negative lead against the outer sleeve.

          Comment

          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

            So the power supply has + and - output = 2 wires but your red power connector has 3 wires so we need to find out why it has 3 wires. Need the pictures of that DC input jack to see how the 3 wires are connected to the DC input jack.
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

            Comment

            • vestaviascott
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2018
              • 100
              • United States

              #7
              Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

              Originally posted by Curious.George
              Next question is how you magically went from *3* wires to *10*??!

              Ans: there's something in the bowels of the bike that you've not yet seen!

              You need to make a little diagram showing the two wire power adapter on one end of the page and the 10 wire connector on the other side of the page. Then, dig through the bike until you can see where those two wires morphed into those 10!
              Totally agree, which is why I went about trying to remove the side panels. However, the little hole around the crank is not large enough to take the panel off without taking the crank off. I've taken the cap off the crank and removed the bolt inside but I'm still noodling how the hell to get the crank off after that.





              Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-27-2018, 01:25 PM.

              Comment

              • vestaviascott
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2018
                • 100
                • United States

                #8
                Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                Here's a better shot of what's going on inside the bike. The power harness hooks into the tension motor and then into the speed sensor.



                There doesn't appear to be any other circuitry other than the tension motor so I believe the wire increase comes from an adapter harness in this loop. Still working to get the cover off so I can get at this harness.

                Comment

                • vinceroger69
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 6714
                  • uk

                  #9
                  Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                  something like this will remove it or a two legged puller
                  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bicycle-C...sAAOSw8FBbFfL9
                  different model slightly but shows wiring you cant see
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJzrbIy2RU
                  Last edited by vinceroger69; 08-27-2018, 01:35 PM.

                  Comment

                  • vestaviascott
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2018
                    • 100
                    • United States

                    #10
                    Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                    Best I can tell, here's how we go from 3 wires to 10:

                    3 wires coming from adapter harness
                    5 wires coming from tension motor
                    2 wires coming from speed sensor

                    All of these are bundled and carried up to the console via the white loom.
                    Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-27-2018, 01:48 PM.

                    Comment

                    • vestaviascott
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2018
                      • 100
                      • United States

                      #11
                      Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                      Originally posted by budm
                      So the power supply has + and - output = 2 wires but your red power connector has 3 wires so we need to find out why it has 3 wires. Need the pictures of that DC input jack to see how the 3 wires are connected to the DC input jack.
                      This? Or something else?



                      Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-27-2018, 01:42 PM.

                      Comment

                      • vestaviascott
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2018
                        • 100
                        • United States

                        #12
                        Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                        Here is a better shot showing the 3 wires coming from the adapter plug wire:



                        This is the adapter you see in the previous pic but a better angle to show the 3 wires. It connects to a connector that has the same 3 wires.
                        Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-27-2018, 01:47 PM.

                        Comment

                        • vestaviascott
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2018
                          • 100
                          • United States

                          #13
                          Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                          So, now that we know how the 3 input power wires turned into 10 (tension motor and speed sensor), is it possible to begin troubleshooting the control panel?

                          Comment

                          • vestaviascott
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2018
                            • 100
                            • United States

                            #14
                            Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                            Originally posted by vinceroger69
                            different model slightly but shows wiring you cant see
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BJzrbIy2RU
                            Awesome find. Here are some stills I grabbed to show the tension motor which is responsible for 5 of the 10 wires going into the control panel:





                            Comment

                            • Curious.George
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Nov 2011
                              • 2305
                              • Unknown

                              #15
                              Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                              Originally posted by vestaviascott
                              So, now that we know how the 3 input power wires turned into 10 (tension motor and speed sensor), is it possible to begin troubleshooting the control panel?
                              As I said, upthread -- MAKE A DRAWING. Or, do you expect each of use to try to "trace" wires from a dozen different snapshots to try to figure out "what goes where"?

                              There are TWO conductors on the power connector ("wall wart"). You haven't explained why anyone would WASTE a THIRD wire to attach to a two-wire connector.

                              If I see a "Blue" wire in ANY photo, can I assume that it is electrically connected to every other instance of a blue wire in ANY other photo? What about Red? Etc.

                              With the piece of equipment in front of you, you *could* troubleshoot it by running your fingers along a particular wire to see where it goes. Doing that from a bunch of photos is considerably harder -- the wire may not be completely visible, we may not understand the "view" we are being shown, etc.

                              Even if YOU can trace a single wire, you will find that making a drawing will save you the trouble (and possibility of making a mistake) of having to remember where each wire went. A drawing gives you The Big picture.

                              [You started this thread stating: "I'm new to electronics troubleshooting but I really want to learn the basics. I feel like its a skill that I really want to invest time to learn." My comments are intended to get you thinking in a more systematic way -- so you will learn to SEE where you need to look for problems.]

                              Comment

                              • vestaviascott
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2018
                                • 100
                                • United States

                                #16
                                Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                                Sounds good. I'll make a drawing. Thanks for the help.

                                Comment

                                • budm
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Feb 2010
                                  • 40746
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                                  As you can see in your post # 1 & 11, you show someone else picture (FRP?) of the DC input jack which we cannot see how 3 wires are soldered to the DC input jack, you need to show the pictures of your unit.
                                  Last edited by budm; 08-28-2018, 04:34 PM.
                                  Never stop learning
                                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                  Comment

                                  • vestaviascott
                                    Senior Member
                                    • Aug 2018
                                    • 100
                                    • United States

                                    #18
                                    Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                                    Sorry guys, been a crazy day at work. Here are some pics of that barrel connector and I'll also draw a wiring schematic from here all the way up to the console:







                                    Last edited by vestaviascott; 08-28-2018, 07:29 PM.

                                    Comment

                                    • Curious.George
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Nov 2011
                                      • 2305
                                      • Unknown

                                      #19
                                      Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                                      Originally posted by vestaviascott
                                      Sorry guys, been a crazy day at work. Here are some pics of that barrel connector and I'll also draw a wiring schematic from here all the way up to the console:
                                      Interesting. This suggests there may be a switch in the connector (though I can't imagine why -- there are no batteries in the unit, are there?) I.e., the designers decided that there is a need for the circuit to "know" when the wall wart is MECHANICALLY plugged in -- despite the fact that voltage would only be present to the circuit IF it was plugged in!

                                      WITH THE HARNESS UNPLUGGED (i.e., with the "pink" connector's contacts accessible), plug the wall wart into the jack (and into AC). Now, carefully (so you don't accidentally short your probes -- and the power supply! -- together) probe between each pair of wires (there are three pairs: 1+2, 2+3 and 1+3).

                                      You should see the wall wart's output voltage (~9.2V) on at least one of the pairs. These represent the conductors that are directly connected to the center contact and outer sleeve of the wall wart's plug. If the display reads (+) 9.2V, then whichever wire is connected to the positive input of the DMM corresponds to the center contact of the plug. The other DMM lead is on the sleeve of the plug. If the display is -9.2V, then the opposite is true (i.e., the positive lead of the DMM is on the sleeve of the connector)

                                      Make a note of this in your drawing so you know where "ground" and "power" come into the circuit.

                                      Now, with your DMM on "ohms" scale, see if you have continuity between either of the "other" pairs.

                                      For example, if 1+3 showed you the 9.2V (which may appear as -9.2 depending on how your leads happen to be positioned on the contacts) and 2+3 showed "nothing" as did 1+2, then check for continuity between 2+3 and also between 1+2.

                                      Note that if you saw voltage on any of these other pairs, don't bother checking for continuity.

                                      Then, unplug the wall wart -- from the AC and from the wire harness -- and probe all three pairs for continuity.

                                      If there is a mechanical switch in the connector, the act of inserting the wall wart's plug will open (or close) it. The above is trying to identify the presence of a switch and its action.

                                      Comment

                                      • budm
                                        Badcaps Legend
                                        • Feb 2010
                                        • 40746
                                        • USA

                                        #20
                                        Re: Like New Nautilus Exercise Bike has Dead Panel

                                        Check the resistance between center pin of the DC input jack and the red wire on the red connector: I expect it to show <1 Ohms,.
                                        Check the resistance of the terminal of the red connector that is connected to black wire against the terminal that the white wire is connected to: I expect it to show <1 Ohm.
                                        Notes: AC adapter is not connected to the DC input jack during this test.
                                        BTW, there is strange warning about the AC adapter.
                                        Attached Files
                                        Last edited by budm; 08-28-2018, 10:47 PM.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                        Comment

                                        Related Topics

                                        Collapse

                                        • KYBOSH
                                          Samsung UN50TU8000 - Dead Panel Forensic Questions
                                          by KYBOSH
                                          I came across a 50inch TU8000 that wouldnt start up properly (blinking stand-by light, backlights would cycle on and off).





                                          When i opened it up and removed the power to the mainboard the backlights powered up and everything looked uniform.
                                          When reconnected the mainboard but disconnected the flex cable to the panel i heard the TV startup with the intro sound.






                                          Later I checked for shorts on the panel PCB boards but could not find anything.
                                          When I took a look with the FLIR i noticed the 2 resistors...
                                          08-10-2024, 08:39 AM
                                        • NSkyLab
                                          Vizio D43f-J04 is panel dead?
                                          by NSkyLab
                                          TV Model: Vizio D43f-J04
                                          Main Board: TPD.MT5583.PB751 (60103-00876)
                                          T-Con: BOE_CC430LV2D_43001 V1.0
                                          Panel: BOEI430WU1

                                          The video of the defect is here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fzfvmUqGXW3c1Nrg9
                                          This is a dumpster find, don't know if it was hit, there are no visible cracks...

                                          I though there may be something wrong with the panel voltages.
                                          Those I managed to find on the T-Con board. Does it seem normal?
                                          12V: 12.27v
                                          VCC33: 3.28v
                                          1.2V: 1.25v
                                          VGL: -5.87v
                                          AVDD: 16v
                                          HAVDD: 7.47v
                                          VCOM: 7.0v...
                                          01-29-2023, 08:18 PM
                                        • howardc64
                                          LG 49UJ6500 LCD panel lighter band that goes away
                                          by howardc64
                                          49UJ6500 LCD panel has a lighter band on top when first powered on. Goes away (or gets much fainter) after TV on for a few min. After powered off for awhile and power back on, same band appears. If powered on immediately after powering off, no or much fainter band. Running the latest firmware.

                                          Disassembled the TV and lifted the LCD panel during testing. Band is on the LCD panel (can see the band on the panel as I lift it slightly) Backlight is perfectly even at the top edge. Double checked LCD panel alignment in the frame and is perfect but since band moved with the panel, its on...
                                          02-19-2023, 12:13 AM
                                        • triplefour
                                          SAMSUNG UN50TU8000F rebooting, backlight ok. No 12v to panel boards.
                                          by triplefour
                                          TV flashes backlight then reboots over and over. no image. Client said it used to have image for a bit before rebooting. Got worse over time.

                                          tcon is built into mainboard.
                                          Only one cable goes to panel boards.
                                          there is a cable from one panel board to the other that links them.
                                          cost cutting measure that results in us having harder time to diagnose.
                                          removing the link to the second panel board allows TV to stay on with stable backlight but no image.
                                          used cut off tape method to mask 1 maybe 2 pins on the side of the cable that goes to that second panel board....
                                          07-28-2022, 07:59 PM
                                        • Storyteller12
                                          QN55Q60R Service Menu Panel Help
                                          by Storyteller12
                                          I had a the above tv qn55q60r that had a bad panel but everything else good. I had another panel here from un55nu6900 with bad leds and melted diffusers.

                                          I put the nu6900 panel in and powered it up and it does work but there are lines vertical lines.

                                          I was trying to change the panel type in the service menu but don’t see my exact panel. Anyway to fix this or someone have similar experience.

                                          the clear picture is the panel type from the service menus on the nu6900. The other 1 is the panel type that was set for the q60r with the bad panel....
                                          01-13-2024, 01:57 PM
                                        • Loading...
                                        • No more items.
                                        Working...