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    #41
    Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

    Hi again all,

    Thanks in advance to anyone who returns to this thread to refresh their memories & help out. I'm sorry it has been almost 2 months since my last post here--quite a bit has happened (family/medical stuff, increased load @ work due to layoffs, etc.).

    First off, a related & somewhat funny story: I broke down & purchased a replacement power board for my monitor from Sceptre for $65 shipped (rip-off, I know). I now had a working original, a working replacement, and a defective original. The new IC board had the same markings, but their were some discrepancies in the components (larger caps, some appear to be omitted, etc; pics attached after the break). Most of the voltage readings I could get were the same as the original board.

    In the process of testing, I lost focus and let one of my multimeter leads slip. There was a bright flash and a loud bang that freaked out the wife & dog across the house. When I got my vision back, I realized that I had fried something on my new, expensive board.

    Before continuing work on the original, I'd like to fix the brand new one (since the problem is a tad more obvious).

    Front & back images of the new & old boards are attached. The damage (pictured) on the new board seems to be on F101, right above the power plug (pics of the component, and its through-holes after removal).

    I'm pretty sure this is a fuse? I could strip more of the insulation off of it if it would help ID its rating, or is there another way to determine that?

    Other, less pressing information:
    - D1, D2, D4 all read .44 volts, and D3 reads .21 volts on old & new boards. The new board looks to be missing D2 and D5 (along the top of the back pics), but doesn't seem to affect operation.
    - C105 (the big cap) read a steady 155 volts on the new board, when it worked (unless i didnt test long enough). On the old one, it starts around 160 volts, then gets up to 200 volts or more after a minute or so of juice.
    - The 4 large caps standing up along the right side, from bottom to top, are C114, 115, 117, 118. C117 and 118 were both 5 volts on old & new boards. C114 and 115 were 14 volts on the old one and 17 volts on the new. Hard to tell from pictures, but 114 and 115 are the same size as 117 and 118 on the new board; they are slightly shorter on the old board.

    In short, for those who find this forum from Google because you have the same problem, you could probably get a replacement board from Sceptre if you ask and want to pay for it. You'll need the serial from a barcode sticker on one of the vertical metal pieces.

    I am still eager to fix my (now 2!) IC boards, hopefully before my lone working Sceptre LCD dies!

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.

    -Will
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      #42
      Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

      Update:

      After further investigation, F101 is this fuse:
      http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...&name=F3298-ND
      Don't know why I didn't realize this earlier since it's printed right on the board :/

      C105 (the big cap) is 400v, 100uF. I believe this is a comparable part:
      http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=565-1469-ND
      None in stock @ digikey unfortunately, but found in-stock @ Mouser:
      http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...LDY23Ggw%3d%3d

      I'll order & install these and post another update.

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        #43
        Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

        Originally posted by alexanna View Post
        the marking on it are s4 3b.
        What did end up getting to replace this diode?
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          #44
          Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

          Originally posted by retiredcaps View Post
          What did end up getting to replace this diode?
          The marking s4 looked closest to the part, using the smd code book. A part of very similar specifications to 1ss389 was used as a replacement .However I never was able to find what was causing the transistors to short ,so I don't know if I used the correct diode.
          Al.
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            #45
            Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

            Hi RetiredCaps & Alexanna!

            - I replaced C105 on my original board, but to no avail. I'm not sure what to try next at this point. Since there is no other defective part visible under my magnifier, anything I would try to replace would be a shot in the dark.

            - I also replaced F101 on the new board that I destroyed by accidentally shorting 2 joints near the AC plug. When I tested that, I blew RT101. An image is attached; could anyone tell me what this is?

            - For this newer board, I am thinking there must be a defective component in the circuit between this new damaged part and the AC plug. I removed L101 (transformer?) to take better pictures of possible culprits:
            -C101
            -C102
            -C103
            -RV101
            -DB101

            Would anyone be able to suggest part(s) to start with on either board, and possibly ID them?
            Obviously, I need to replace RT101 on the new board. It's roughly 10mm across; leads are 5mm apart; printed text on it is "SCK 103".

            Thanks for coming back!
            -Will
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              #46
              Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

              Originally posted by hennegan View Post
              - I replaced C105 on my original board, but to no avail. I'm not sure what to try next at this point. Since there is no other defective part visible under my magnifier, anything I would try to replace would be a shot in the dark.
              You will have to update what is wrong with the original board again.

              - I also replaced F101 on the new board that I destroyed by accidentally shorting 2 joints near the AC plug. When I tested that, I blew RT101. An image is attached; could anyone tell me what this is?
              I believe RT stands for resistor thermal.

              I removed L101 (transformer?) to take better pictures of possible culprits:
              -C101
              -C102
              -C103
              -RV101
              -DB101

              Would anyone be able to suggest part(s) to start with on either board, and possibly ID them?
              L = inductor.

              DB = diode bridge. Number the pins 1-4. You can test this without removing it from the board. Put your multimeter on 200 ohms (if manual). With power off and lcd unplugged, measure the resistance between 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-3, 2-4, and 3-4. Any reading less than 30 ohms suggests this is shorted.

              The blue caps rarely go bad and I believe they visibly crack if they do. Same for the grey square one.
              Last edited by retiredcaps; 12-15-2010, 07:53 PM. Reason: power off comment
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                #47
                Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                Originally posted by hennegan View Post
                Obviously, I need to replace RT101 on the new board. It's roughly 10mm across; leads are 5mm apart; printed text on it is "SCK 103".
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                  #48
                  Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                  Originally posted by hennegan View Post
                  -RV101
                  RV = Varistor

                  See designations at

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electro...e_designations
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                    #49
                    Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                    Holy cow--this is a gold mine of info--thank you RetiredCaps.

                    I set my multimeter to 200 Ohms to test the DB: 1-2, 1-3, 1-4 read 1 (no change); all others read .2. I tested the same DB on my original, defective board, and it was 1 across the board (good right?). Unless my multimeter is bad (entirely possible after my last mis-hap), I think that may be the culprit. I'll order those and read up on those parts, then post an update after replacement.

                    Symptoms of the original board: Panel works normally for about a half-second, then goes black; power indicator is still on. When the problem first started, I found that after turning it off/on a few dozen times, I would get lucky and it would stay on. I shined some bright lights on the panel to see if I could tell if it was just the CCFLs, but I could not see any indication that the display signal was getting to the screen. So far, only replaced C105 (large cap) as I noticed some leakage around the positive lead. I am confident the problem lies on the power board as I tested with my 1 working X9G-Naga III, and ordered a replacement that worked as well... until I broke it.

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                      #50
                      Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                      Originally posted by hennegan View Post
                      I set my multimeter to 200 Ohms to test the DB: 1-2, 1-3, 1-4 read 1 (no change); all others read .2. I tested the same DB on my original, defective board, and it was 1 across the board (good right?).
                      "1" on the left hand sides indicates out of range or infinite. The DB should test "1" for all combinations. If it reads 0.2 ohms, it is definitely shorted and bad.
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                        #51
                        Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                        Happy new year all and thanks RetiredCaps! Good news: I got one of my power boards working.
                        Replaced RT101 thermistor with this:
                        http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...me=495-2092-ND
                        Replaced DB101 diode bridge with this:
                        http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...e=KBP206GDI-ND
                        Also had to replace F101. The only somewhat aggravating thing is I can hear a faint high-pitch noise that I can't pin-point, so I'm guessing this one will need some other caps replaced after some time.

                        I'm happy to finally have worked back to my original problem from my original power board.
                        It's symptoms:
                        Panel works normally for about a half-second, then goes black; power indicator is still on. When the problem first started, I found that after turning it off/on a few dozen times, I would get lucky and it would stay on. I shined some bright lights on the panel to see if I could tell if it was just the CCFLs, but I could not see any indication that the display signal was getting to the screen. So far, only replaced C105 (large cap) as I noticed some leakage around the positive lead. Pics of that board are attached.
                        I wish I had more evidence to go on. Any suggestions on where to start?
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                          #52
                          Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                          Originally posted by hennegan View Post
                          The only somewhat aggravating thing is I can hear a faint high-pitch noise that I can't pin-point, so I'm guessing this one will need some other caps replaced after some time.

                          Any suggestions on where to start?
                          The high pitched noise could be a small capacitor that is goind bad. It might be the one next to the largest main filter capacitor and/or SMPS transformer.

                          Go back to post #36 since you have 2 identical monitors.
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                            #53
                            Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                            Thanks again Retiredcaps It's definitely not a CCFL issue as the display works fine with a working inverter board, but the more I read that thread, the more I feel this board is showing symptoms of a defective MOSFET.

                            I pulled all 3. I'd like to test them, but not sure if my digital multimeter could do it. Would you be able to help ID them for replacement? (pics attached)

                            D104:
                            N 4 G
                            FC010U06 (I think)
                            174
                            (No clue on this one)

                            D105:
                            N 4 G
                            FCH10U10
                            056
                            (I think the attached PDF is correct?)

                            Q101:
                            P 01
                            K2645
                            4N
                            I think this is it, but the 3rd row does not match:
                            http://cgi.ebay.com/200353403075
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                              #54
                              Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                              Thanks for providing the pictures. The first two are easy to identify - they are the Schottky rectifiers in the power supply secondary. If you have normal output voltages and they don't get unreasonably hot, they are good. The third is the power FET in the power supply. If this were bad the supply wouldn't work at all.

                              Your troubleshooting has shown the problem is on this board. That makes it easy to eliminate the CCFLs and their wiring. In simple terms, the problem is either an unstable supply (bad caps), bad drive voltage to the CCFLs, or a problem with the protection circuit.

                              1. What brand(s) are the caps?

                              2. Hook the monitor together, connecting only 1 CCFL. Turn the monitor on. Do you get a flash from the CCFL, and how bright was it? Disconnect that CCFL, and hook another one to it's connector. Turn on the monitor. Do you get a flash from that CCFL, and was it as bright as the first? Repeat, testing each output by itself. If all CCFLs gave the same brightness, it is either the caps or the sense (protection) circuitry.

                              PlainBill
                              For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

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                                #55
                                Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                                Originally posted by PlainBill View Post

                                1. What brand(s) are the caps?
                                They are mostly Elite caps from what I can tell.

                                Originally posted by PlainBill View Post
                                The first two are easy to identify - they are the Schottky rectifiers in the power supply secondary. If you have normal output voltages and they don't get unreasonably hot, they are good. The third is the power FET in the power supply. If this were bad the supply wouldn't work at all.
                                Spot-on! Amazing. I wish I had tested rectifiers/FET before removing. At this point, I'd rather put in new ones while I have them out.

                                Correction on D104: Identifier is actually FCQ10U06 I believe.

                                Given the attached datasheets, would these be correct?
                                D104: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...e=RB215T-60-ND
                                D105: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...R20100CTGOS-ND

                                Originally posted by PlainBill View Post
                                The third is the power FET in the power supply. If this were bad the supply wouldn't work at all.
                                This is good to hear, as it's relatively expensive where I can find it!
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                                  #56
                                  Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                                  Originally posted by hennegan View Post
                                  They are mostly Elite caps from what I can tell.



                                  Spot-on! Amazing. I wish I had tested rectifiers/FET before removing. At this point, I'd rather put in new ones while I have them out.

                                  Correction on D104: Identifier is actually FCQ10U06 I believe.

                                  Given the attached datasheets, would these be correct?
                                  D104: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...e=RB215T-60-ND
                                  D105: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...R20100CTGOS-ND


                                  This is good to hear, as it's relatively expensive where I can find it!
                                  Elite caps are anything but. Garbage is a term that comes to mind.

                                  I'd replace the three components you already removed, then do the test I suggested.

                                  If you order any parts, replace ALL of the electrolytic caps with Panasonic FM or equivalent low ESR caps. If it hasn't been said yet, the symptoms match those expected if the caps are bad.

                                  PlainBill
                                  For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

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                                    #57
                                    Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                                    Another month goes by, but I finally found some time to get back to this!

                                    I replaced all the power secondary caps, MOSFETs and the rectifier, and while doing so, found a blown resistor (pic attached).

                                    It's 15mm long body with a 5 mm diameter. .29 Ohms ±5% I believe.

                                    I cannot find an exact replacement for this anywhere. So the question becomes: Can I replace this with something of a slightly different rating with little/no risk to other components? Say, a resistor rated for .27 or .3 Ohms? Or, should I install some in series/parallel?
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                                      #58
                                      Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                                      Originally posted by hennegan View Post
                                      I replaced all the power secondary caps, MOSFETs and the rectifier, and while doing so, found a blown resistor (pic attached).

                                      It's 15mm long body with a 5 mm diameter. .29 Ohms ±5% I believe.

                                      I cannot find an exact replacement for this anywhere. So the question becomes: Can I replace this with something of a slightly different rating with little/no risk to other components? Say, a resistor rated for .27 or .3 Ohms? Or, should I install some in series/parallel?
                                      As I see it, it is 0.39 ohms. That first band is orange not red. Also, 0.39 is a standard E12 value, whereas 0.29 isn't even in the E24 range.
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                                        #59
                                        Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                                        Originally posted by alexanna View Post
                                        This monitor Gives a very brief flash of the back lamps on power up.the desktop is there after back lamps go out.
                                        Q6 and 7 showed a short between pins.These have been replaced,
                                        With a single ccfl hooked up one at a time there is a normal 2sec bright flash of the lamps on the two ccfl connectors at the bottom of the board near the A.C. plug.On the top of the board the conector near the edge of the board there is a very brief dim flash. And at that point q6 and 7 show shorted again
                                        On my initial visual inspection of the board the area of C10, the grey polycap and L1 had bad solder joints,I have removed measured these, along with the T1 coil,And comparied the readings to the out of circuit readings of T2 L2 and C21 These readings are almost exactly the same.These have been resolderd back into the board.
                                        I have replaced the two caps for the inverter section. c2 was replaced with a panisonic fm series.Due to a mix up [capacitors packaged wrong ]I had to use a nichion audio grade cap for testing proposes for c4.The correct part is on the way.
                                        I need to have some help figuring out why Q6anQ7 are faling?
                                        Al.
                                        I have had 5 of these monitors that always have had the DK transistors shorted; these have always been the ones controlling the CCFLs on the opposite side of the power plug. I have checked and could not find anything else showing short. These have always had poor soldering on the large gray capacitors that are between the DK transistors which was reflowed.
                                        Out of desperation not knowing what else to try I borrowed two transistors from the good side of another board I had. This appears to have fixed the problem of the DK transistors shorting.
                                        The marking on these are, If I search in the SMD code book I come up with these numbers
                                        XS which I think might be a 2PD602,I can find a data sheet on this one http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe...S/2PD602A.html
                                        And DS That I think may be this one 2P710AS, I am unable to locate a data sheet on this one.
                                        I am fairly confidant if the DK transistors continue to short these will fix the problem
                                        I am hoping someone could help verify that these part numbers look like there correct for the circuit there being used in.
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                                          #60
                                          Re: Sceptre X9G-Komodo II* blinking power light

                                          Originally posted by alexanna View Post
                                          I have had 5 of these monitors that always have had the DK transistors shorted; these have always been the ones controlling the CCFLs on the opposite side of the power plug. I have checked and could not find anything else showing short. These have always had poor soldering on the large gray capacitors that are between the DK transistors which was reflowed.
                                          Out of desperation not knowing what else to try I borrowed two transistors from the good side of another board I had. This appears to have fixed the problem of the DK transistors shorting.
                                          The marking on these are, If I search in the SMD code book I come up with these numbers
                                          XS which I think might be a 2PD602,I can find a data sheet on this one http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe...S/2PD602A.html
                                          And DS That I think may be this one 2P710AS, I am unable to locate a data sheet on this one.
                                          I am fairly confidant if the DK transistors continue to short these will fix the problem
                                          I am hoping someone could help verify that these part numbers look like there correct for the circuit there being used in.
                                          The proper transistors are Rohm 2SC4672. Digikey has them as 2SC4672T100QCT-ND. There are a number of reasons they can short. You have already identified one - the tuning capacitor. Another is a bad solder joint on the transformers, and there is a zener diode that has been blamed.

                                          The 2PD602A isn't a good substitute. It's rated at 500 ma vs 3A for the 2SC4672.

                                          PlainBill
                                          For a number of reasons, both health and personal, I will no longer be active on this board. Any PMs asking for assistance will be ignored.

                                          Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

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