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    iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

    Picked up this beast from a friend for $50. Totally worth it. It's quite old (1998) but he picked it up from a studio about 4 years ago and never used it, so the tube is quite healthy. The antiglare film isn't scratched either.

    At first it had some real nasty horizontal convergence issues, which seemed odd as the monitor had no top/bottom convergence controls, the ones in the menu only dealt with "balance" ie i could make the top or bottom right but not both. Nothing inside either, the top of the deflection assembly had two vertical convergence controls and that was it. Well, tapping that assembly made the issue go away, so it's likely that it simply got knocked during transport.

    With that convergence issue gone, the picture quality is phenomenal. I don't think i've ever seen a CRT set get even close to this degree of definition. A resolution of 1600x1200 is very well possible - i used to run 1440x1080 on my 19" Nokia, but it had some uncorrectable convergence issues which made the overall picture "bearable" but not more than that.

    The SMPS transformer in this thing is HUGE btw, the monitor itself is only rated for 200-something watts but it looks like the core could do 1kW. Next to it there's a 470uF 400 volt Rubycon capacitor which makes it look even more impressive.

    It does still have some minor issues which i would attribute to aged capacitors. First of all, the picture size changes a little. It enlarges a few millimeters, then goes back. It doesn't happen all the time and it is only noticeable if i look at it. Second, very high contrast items leave a little bit of trail on their right. Only noticeable on white background.

    I don't have a service manual for the thing so any ideas on what area to recap would be welcome. The usual suspects IMO would be the ones around the flyback but i would like a second opinion. Other than this it is a truly awesome display and it'll have a place on my desk for many years to come. I have my reasons why i don't like LCDs, i mean sure, my laptops have nice screens but they have their flaws.
    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
    A working TV? How boring!

    #2
    Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

    you will need to resolder the board those pots are on.common issue.size issue may be related to these same joints.cheap cable can cause the trailing.
    its a rebadged mitsubishi.fixed a ton of these for the mac crowd.many still in use.

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      #3
      Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

      I don't think it's the cable - i borrowed it from a 19" Eizo and that monitor displays no trailing. Besides, it only appears in the top 40% of the screen, everything else is fine. And yeah i noticed the tube is made by Mitsubishi.

      I'll be back with some pics.
      Originally posted by PeteS in CA
      Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
      A working TV? How boring!

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        #4
        Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

        Update on the size issue - the top corners are a little "bent down", and when the size thing happens, they flick up to where they are supposed to be, then quickly come back down.

        Also, it takes forever to warm up. When it's first powered up vertical convergence will be all wonky, and it slowly drifts towards a perfectly clear picture. This takes over an hour. It sounds more and more like bad caps to me rather than anything else.
        Originally posted by PeteS in CA
        Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
        A working TV? How boring!

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          #5
          Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

          Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
          And yeah i noticed the tube is made by Mitsubishi.
          I guess that means aperture grille. Nice.
          Hope you get it fixed, big CRT monitors are awesome!
          By the way, what model is it?

          ...
          I see you changed your title to 1600x1200, lol. What happened, did that beast of a monitor scare the black cat away?
          Last edited by momaka; 12-02-2010, 11:06 PM.

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            #6
            Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

            Originally posted by momaka View Post
            I guess that means aperture grille. Nice.
            Hope you get it fixed, big CRT monitors are awesome!
            By the way, what model is it?
            The model is what i stated. It does have a model number on the back, but that one produces even less hits on Google. And for some reason Sony's trademark Trinitron is what i like to call it. Has the trademark two horizontal wires as well. AFAIK Mitsubishi called it Diamondtron, i used to drool at those monitors in stores back when i was a kid and all i had was a 15" monitor named "Axion". Yes, like the dishwashing product...

            @ kc8adu: You should've told me it will be a PITA to get that board out. When i removed the plastic top it came out with one of the trimmers... To top it all off i had to unsolder ALL wires off it to be able to lift the board and resolder it, most of them coming straight from the deflection coils. But careful and i got it done.

            The trimpot that broke was the vertical convergence one, it dealt with "balance" as i like to call it, ie balances convergence errors from top to bottom. It was a 220 ohm, i didn't have one and installed a 1k multiturn instead. Seems to work fine, the monitor converged even better than before. The horizontal convergence issue went away (so yes it was bad soldering), but all other issues are still there. Slow warmup, and size bouncing from time to time. Next up, caps. But getting to the bottom of the main board is going to be even more of a PITA so i'll do it tomorrow.

            Anyway... There are some very subtle convergence issues that don't go away, but i think that running maximum resolution on a 12 year old tube AND using software with ridiculously small fonts (FL Studio) is kinda pushing it. I think it's just my imagination (probably because i've been staring at that convergence pattern for the past hour) since everything is perfectly readable and there are no visible color fringes. Besides, it's so sharp that i thought my laptop screen went blurry! ClearType plays tricks on my eyes sometimes.

            This monitor certainly beats the crap out of the 19" Nokia i've been using so far. I was running that at 1440x1080, good focus but quite bad convergence on the left half.

            Originally posted by momaka View Post
            ...
            I see you changed your title to 1600x1200, lol. What happened, did that beast of a monitor scare the black cat away?
            Nah, the cat's still fine, thanks for asking.
            Last edited by Th3_uN1Qu3; 12-03-2010, 01:39 PM.
            Originally posted by PeteS in CA
            Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
            A working TV? How boring!

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              #7
              Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

              Okay... i officially screwed up. Couple days ago the monitor stopped getting power. I thought it's the fuse since it would power up with the switch bypassed, but since i had to take the whole thing apart anyway i decided to clean it and see if any electrolytics need replacement. The power issue turned to be a couple jumper links on the power filter board, but anyway...

              First of all, this is as close to insanity as it gets. I had to take EVERYTHING apart including the front, leaving the bare CRT exposed, so i could take out the boards. The logic board has so many caps that i stopped counting them. All Rubycon. Anyway, long story short, put everything back together and the thing powers on, LED lights, tube heaters glow, but no picture. No HV, and B+ is at 6 volts. Also there's a nasty whine coming from the main transformer - sounds like protect mode alright. After a few seconds it goes into standby - normal behavior with no signal input. So the logic is working.

              Nothing shorted either. What i'm afraid is that the HV wire might have broken internally, it was glued at both sides so i had to hang the main board from it most of the time that the monitor was open. But still i don't think that the PSU would shut it down at such a low value, the horizontal output transistor barely does anything at this low a voltage.

              Anyway this thing is totally service man unfriendly. You have to put everything back together to be able to power it on because the length of the cables doesn't allow any other positioning, it allows almost no measurements to be made on it while it's working. I've done my share of impossible repairs, but this one really feels like it's over my head.

              It had to be this way. It always happens to me - every time things go well for a while, there has to be something that goes awry and keeps me busy for at least the time that things worked. Great, isn't it?
              Last edited by Th3_uN1Qu3; 12-08-2010, 04:16 PM.
              Originally posted by PeteS in CA
              Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
              A working TV? How boring!

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                #8
                Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                Maybe this is one of those projects you put away for a while then come back to it. Could still be something simple after all - perhaps you forgot to plug/solder a wire, cracked a joint, or something like that.

                Meanwhile, hopefully Krankshaft or Wizard will see this. I'm sure if one of them took a look at it, they'd have it fixed in no time. It's got to be repairable after all (well, as long as you didn't break the tube). Perhaps post some pics of the insides.

                Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3
                i used to drool at those monitors in stores back when i was a kid and all i had was a 15" monitor named "Axion". Yes, like the dishwashing product...
                Lol. Back in those days (1998-1999?), we had a 16" KFC Smile monitor . That name always made me laugh. It was insanely expensive back then, nonetheless.

                Now there's a guy in my area here offering a set of two Lacie 22blue IV 22" monitors for $75. Wondering if I should get them, or offer him $38 for only one. It's tempting... But I'll probably get yelled at if I do. There's enough junk in my closet as it is. I even still have that 16" KFC Smile .

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                  #9
                  Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                  Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                  Picked up this beast from a friend for $50. Totally worth it. It's quite old (1998) but he picked it up from a studio about 4 years ago and never used it, so the tube is quite healthy. The antiglare film isn't scratched either.

                  At first it had some real nasty horizontal convergence issues, which seemed odd as the monitor had no top/bottom convergence controls, the ones in the menu only dealt with "balance" ie i could make the top or bottom right but not both. Nothing inside either, the top of the deflection assembly had two vertical convergence controls and that was it. Well, tapping that assembly made the issue go away, so it's likely that it simply got knocked during transport.

                  With that convergence issue gone, the picture quality is phenomenal. I don't think i've ever seen a CRT set get even close to this degree of definition. A resolution of 1600x1200 is very well possible - i used to run 1440x1080 on my 19" Nokia, but it had some uncorrectable convergence issues which made the overall picture "bearable" but not more than that.

                  The SMPS transformer in this thing is HUGE btw, the monitor itself is only rated for 200-something watts but it looks like the core could do 1kW. Next to it there's a 470uF 400 volt Rubycon capacitor which makes it look even more impressive.

                  It does still have some minor issues which i would attribute to aged capacitors. First of all, the picture size changes a little. It enlarges a few millimeters, then goes back. It doesn't happen all the time and it is only noticeable if i look at it. Second, very high contrast items leave a little bit of trail on their right. Only noticeable on white background.

                  I don't have a service manual for the thing so any ideas on what area to recap would be welcome. The usual suspects IMO would be the ones around the flyback but i would like a second opinion. Other than this it is a truly awesome display and it'll have a place on my desk for many years to come. I have my reasons why i don't like LCDs, i mean sure, my laptops have nice screens but they have their flaws.
                  I got Iiyama Vision Master Pro 451 19'' CRT 1 year ago for free and it has similar problems with yours:

                  -bad geometry

                  -the picture size changes as it gets hot

                  Other than that, excellent colours, impressive resolution and refresh rates, I use 1280x1024@100HZ

                  I have not dared to open it yet. In fact I don't know anything about CRT repair..

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                    #10
                    Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                    Ohh, I just read the sad evolution of this thread...

                    I wish I could help you fix that monitor.

                    In fact I have a Sony 19'' Trinitron CRT that I also got from the university throw away stuff. It has image problems and I have it opened up in a corner of the house for quite a long time, waiting for me to try and fix it some day...

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                      #11
                      Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                      That happened to me on a 19" Trinitron I was repairing a few years ago. Turns out I left a gray wire that plugged into the neck board unplugged. I got everything - HV, heaters, logic. Just no picture. I plugged the gray wire back in and away she went.

                      Sometimes you overlook the simple things.

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                        #12
                        Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                        I remember those Smile monitors! Also the Shamrock ones. Hella old, I remember them from 2nd grade (1998-1999 for me)

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                          #13
                          Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                          Originally posted by goodpsusearch View Post
                          In fact I have a Sony 19'' Trinitron CRT that I also got from the university throw away stuff. It has image problems and I have it opened up in a corner of the house for quite a long time, waiting for me to try and fix it some day...
                          Those can usually be fixed by adjusting its internal settings. You need WinDAS and a RS232-TTL cable. If you can't find the software, let me know as i have it somewhere.

                          Originally posted by weirdlookinguy View Post
                          That happened to me on a 19" Trinitron I was repairing a few years ago. Turns out I left a gray wire that plugged into the neck board unplugged. I got everything - HV, heaters, logic. Just no picture. I plugged the gray wire back in and away she went.

                          Sometimes you overlook the simple things.
                          I'm afraid this one isn't simple. The worst part, like i said, is that it is impossible to power it up in any other way besides fully assembled, which makes troubleshooting it 10x harder. Not mentioning that it's by far the most complicated monitor i've laid my hands on. Last CRT that came in with a PSU failure got fixed in 40 minutes, i had the parts on hand and gave it back the same day. Oh well, this 19" Sammy LCD that i picked up will get me by in the meantime. If it had more pixels i would keep it.
                          Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                          Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                          A working TV? How boring!

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                            #14
                            Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                            Looks like something got fried on the logic board, it doesn't react to the VGA cable being plugged in. It's too awkwardly built to troubleshoot it so i came up with something else.

                            I'm gonna plug the tube and deflection assembly into the board of a 19" Eizo. That one has its own issues as well, but i want to see if the tube will at least light up, because i feel really bad about throwing it away. If it works, i'll transplant the whole board to the iiyama and deal with everything else later. The backs of the two monitors are quite similar so it may fit without hacking the case too much. But who said i need it to have a case in the first place... the metal shield that goes onto the back should be enough case for me.
                            Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                            Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                            A working TV? How boring!

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                              #15
                              Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                              Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                              I'm gonna plug the tube and deflection assembly into the board of a 19" Eizo. That one has its own issues as well, but i want to see if the tube will at least light up, because i feel really bad about throwing it away. If it works, i'll transplant the whole board to the iiyama and deal with everything else later. The backs of the two monitors are quite similar so it may fit without hacking the case too much.
                              Sounds interesting. However, does the 19" Eizo output the same tube high voltage as the iiyama, and if not, don't they need to be the same? Anyways, I haven't done any CRT monitor repairs so I'm sure you know more than I do.

                              And if nothing works, maybe you can repurpose the tube for something else, like this:
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW0nNQCTTZk
                              Well maybe not exactly that. I don't think the Lead on the tube will be good for the fish. Besides, you have a black cat .

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                                #16
                                Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                                They're within 1kv of each other so it's most likely adjustable enough. But unfortunately i aborted the project for other reasons - when taking apart the Eizo i was greeted by a monster heatsink in the back - now where would i fit THAT? I realized that i was looking at the reason why that monitor is so chunky. The cables were also once again too short to reach the other tube, and i wasn't in the mood of extending them just for testing. The CRT neck board looked very similar, however the pins weren't marked on the Eizo board, i don't really know if the tubes are even compatible.

                                Also the Eizo has a regular shadow mask tube vs the Diamondtron in the iiyama, that would have caused trouble most likely.

                                I ended up giving the Eizo a good cleanup (it really needed that), refocusing it and putting it back together. I also went back to basics - since the people who needed it never came to pick up my 19" Nokia, i recalibrated it fully (and did a damn fine job at it, the convergence is as good as it gets now) and once i sell the Sammy LCD, the Nokia monitor will once again take its space on my desk. The Samsung is nice and all but it has not enough resolution and too much brightness for night use.
                                Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                                Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                                A working TV? How boring!

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                                  #17
                                  Re: iiyama Vision Master Pro 21" CRT repair log

                                  Originally posted by goodpsusearch View Post
                                  I got Iiyama Vision Master Pro 451 19'' CRT 1 year ago for free and it has similar problems with yours:
                                  Iiyama changed tubes somewhere between the 450 and the 454.

                                  We have both Iiyama 450 and 454 monitors at work. The 450 has a curved screen and judging from the phosphor pattern one sees with a magnifying glass (triangle pattern of rgb) it is a shadow mask tube. The 454 has a flat screen and with a magnifying glass the phosphor is arranged in vertical stripes, so presumably it is an aperture grille tube. On paper the two monitors are similar (refresh rates and the like) but (I assume) because of the different tubes the 450 is a better monitor. Text is nearly as sharp as on an LCD, and adjusting the convergence in the middle sets it well all the way across the image. I have never been able to adjust any of the 454s to be as sharp as the worst of the 450's. If the convergence is good in the center of a 454 it is off a bit at the corners. Text dragged around the screen on the 454 is sharpest at the center and becomes blurrier the farther towards the corner it moves, whereas on a 450 it is pretty much the same everywhere.

                                  On a bit of a tangent, Iiyama has a nice bit of software on their site for testing displays. All sorts of convergence patterns and so forth.

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