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  • kamel
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 129
    • TUNISIA

    #1

    Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

    Urgent!

    My MTX 3352 digital oscilloscope cmos battery got low and need replacement.

    Original battery specs : varta brand Li-Manganese dioxide With PCB solder tags
    1/2 AA 3V-950mah, non-rechargeable battery.

    Found available on the market : NX brand Lithium-thionyl chloride ER14250 1/2 AA 3.6V 1.2Ah PP (Ref : PCL9005) without solder tags.

    Question : Is it risky to use the 3.6V 1.2Ah battery instead of the 3V-950mah ?
    If so, do I need to use a diode to drop the +0.7V excess and then what about the +250mah ?
    Or is there any simpler and more efficient circuit to fit the 3.6V without risk for my oscilloscope.

    Thanks
  • eccerr0r
    Solder Sloth
    • Nov 2012
    • 8706
    • USA

    #2
    Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

    I think you should use the correct voltage if you can. I have a Tektronix 2440 that I had to replace the battery in - I tried 2xAA-alkaline, 3xAA-alkaline, LiMnO2 -- none produced satisfactory results (scope keeps complaining) until I put in another Li-Thionyl Chloride battery into it like the one that got replaced.

    If you must use the 3.6V, you may be able to just stick that silicon diode in series, and other than mechanical fitting it should be fine.

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    • budm
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2010
      • 40746
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

      The load dictates the current draw from the battery so in this case higher Amp rating of the battery has no effect.
      Yes you can try using 1 or may be two diodes on the output of the battery, the Vf of the diode will depend on the If and the temperature, etc.
      Never stop learning
      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

      Inverter testing using old CFL:
      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

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      • stj
        Great Sage 齊天大聖
        • Dec 2009
        • 31277
        • Albion

        #4
        Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

        Lithium Thionyl chloride are rechargeable cells - totally different tech.

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        • eccerr0r
          Solder Sloth
          • Nov 2012
          • 8706
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

          Lithium thionyl chloride is not rechargeable... it's an old high capacity, high internal impedance, low leakage lithium technology designed for memory backup.

          Lithium ion and lithium polymer are rechargeable.

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          • stj
            Great Sage 齊天大聖
            • Dec 2009
            • 31277
            • Albion

            #6
            Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

            pretty sure i have a tube of lithium thionyl rechargeable cells here from server raid cards!

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            • budm
              Badcaps Legend
              • Feb 2010
              • 40746
              • USA

              #7
              Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement


              https://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?s...doc_id=1322276
              Never stop learning
              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

              Inverter testing using old CFL:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

              TV Factory reset codes listing:
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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              • kamel
                Senior Member
                • May 2011
                • 129
                • TUNISIA

                #8
                Re: Need advice from experts for a cmos battery replacement

                I wish to thank every contributor.

                Problem was solved by soldering a 3V Li-Manganese dioxide battery 1200A instead of the 3V-950mah with PCB solder tags, and gluing the battery to the mobo for better security.

                Please note that the initial issue was my oscilloscope refused to turn on : it always went to sleep mode, when switched on. Replacing the cmos battery solved the issue. This might help others having same problem.

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