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    Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

    Well, this CRT is destined for the charity shop. It works perfectly and is about 10 years old.

    It is a Pacific combo VCR/CRT TV with a single SCART and antenna connection. Nothing special, but it was the TV I used to play PS2 on when I was young. Anyway, I tore it apart before it goes to the charity shop just to see how well it was made.

    I'm extremely impressed. For a cheap TV, it has excellent build quality:

    - All Rubycon capacitors (including the small ones all across the board), except the primary, which is a Panasonic.
    - Primary cap is a 150uF 400V - well sized for the power consumption of under ~50W.
    - Soldering is superb. All components, even axial power resistors sitting off the board, don't budge if you try to bend them - I'm not sure how they've done it, but they are very well seated.
    - Murata TV tuner. I didn't know Murata made tuners. Nice.
    - Excellent line filter components made by Panasonic.
    - No components get very warm in operation.
    - Picture tube looks very nicely assembled. (It's an ORION picture tube, no idea if this is good...)
    - The power supply has an actual controller IC, not a self-resonant/ringing-choke converter.
    - All components look high spec. There aren't any bodge resistors/capacitors, for example. Big capacitors are held down with a small amount of epoxy.
    - Despite being well used, the board has no signs of heat damage as has been seen in cheap LCD monitors and some TVs.
    - The general board layout is very well done and it is clearly labelled throughout.
    - It's *not* a Vestel! I'm not sure who the OEM is for this. No clues whatsoever on the boards.

    So, whatever happened to quality electronics? I'm sure we can in part blame the consumer for demanding the cheapest price possible. But this *was* a cheap, store-brand TV. And yet it looks like the engineers who designed this really cared about making a quality TV that would probably last 10-20 years.

    I put it on the variac as a test to see what it would do. Strangely it just cuts out at ~122V in. It seems like they missed a trick by not designing the supply to work at down to 100V in (or lower), then they could sell the same PSU for both US and European markets. The PSU board does say "PAL".

    Anyway, I will reassemble this and donate it, as it is just taking up space. There is another one in the loft somewhere.
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    Re: Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

    It could be made by Orion, but it doesn't look much like the Orion-built 13" Sansui TV that I repaired. They did place caps next to heatsinks like Orion did.

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      Re: Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

      The heatsinks on this TV don't get very warm, so I think that's okay.
      Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
      For service manual, schematic, boardview (board view), datasheet, cad - use our search.

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        Re: Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

        I'm quite sure the OEM is Orion. The circuit board layout and the serial number stickers look similar to my Orion Combi 3693. In my set there can be found only capacitors by Rubycon and one by Nichicon, by the way.

        It's interesting to see that in both cases Orion engaged another CRT manufacturer to label their CRT with the Orion logo.
        Last edited by nnname; 05-13-2012, 06:51 PM.

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          Re: Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

          Looks a lot like Orion to me.
          The build quality of Orion TVs is usually pretty damn good.

          My brother bought one of the cheapest 720p 32" LCD TV he could find a couple years (3 or 4) back, which happened to be a Orion (dunno what model). He specifically wanted to avoid noname junk (Vestel based) or stuff like Medion (no spareparts, no customer service). That Orion LCD TV had a service door on the back (which I haven't seen on any other LCD TV before) which I couldn't resist opening up (). It revealed a forest of Rubycons on the board. I couldn't find a single cap that wasn't a Rubycon. Anywhere.
          And that TV still works fine to this day and hasn't had any repairs done to it. Compare that to a Samsung.. lol!

          I don't know how the hell they do it, but they seem to use good quality components throughout their entire sets, despite being (relatively) cheap units (competing with the noname/Vestel junk and grocery store (Aldi) brands like Medion)
          Last edited by Scenic; 05-13-2012, 07:46 PM.

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            Re: Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

            Maybe it's because decent capacitors don't actually cost a heck of a lot more than crap ones.

            I think the big brands are overpriced too because of the name.

            I don't see why it's not entirely possible to make something decent without being a ripoff.
            "Tantalum for the brave, Solid Aluminium for the wise, Wet Electrolytic for the adventurous"
            -David VanHorn

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              Re: Cheap 15" Argos (Pacific) CRT - Surprisingly well made

              The Orion CRT TVs always killed the pump-up cap in the vertical section. In the 13" model, that cap was located next to some resistors that ran hot enough to darken the board. The 13" TV I repaired lasted 10 years before the cap failed, but the larger models consistently failed after a couple years. That 13" TV had nothing but Rubycon caps.

              When that cap hasn't failed, they are great TVs.
              Last edited by lti; 05-14-2012, 09:21 PM.

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