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  • rtstorm
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Feb 2012
    • 971
    • Croatia

    #1

    BGA non direct stencil help

    Hi,

    I need some help on reballing. I have 90x90 stencils. The problem is that not all balls wont go through the hole. Current i use 0.5mm stencil on some ATI radeon GPU.

    When i put solder paste on IC and then put upper part od jig sometime the stencil is touching the ic and paste will stick on it
    ...the quieter you become the more you are able to hear...
  • Th3_uN1Qu3
    Believe in
    • Jul 2010
    • 6031
    • Romania

    #2
    Re: BGA non direct stencil help

    If you need to use that much flux paste that it gets in the holes of the stencil, you need to use better flux. What are you currently using?
    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
    Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
    A working TV? How boring!

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    • rtstorm
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Feb 2012
      • 971
      • Croatia

      #3
      Re: BGA non direct stencil help

      I put a very thin layer or paste. I use amtech.

      I notices that there is a 4 scree for adjusting height of distance upper part.
      ...the quieter you become the more you are able to hear...

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      • Th3_uN1Qu3
        Believe in
        • Jul 2010
        • 6031
        • Romania

        #4
        Re: BGA non direct stencil help

        Genuine Amtech is good. That's what i use as well.

        If you have height adjustment screws on your jig, try adjusting them so that the stencil comes ever so slightly above your chip, like 0.1mm or so. Look at an angle in powerful light and you should barely see a shadow under the stencil. Then try again and see if it's any better.

        You need to get it far enough so that flux doesn't get into the holes of the stencil, but close enough for the balls to remain in place.
        Originally posted by PeteS in CA
        Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
        A working TV? How boring!

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        • nojgib
          Member
          • Nov 2014
          • 30
          • USA

          #5
          Re: BGA non direct stencil help

          Not sure how much flux you are using but a thin layer is key. If you have thick flux it will touch the stencil even with the jig set correctly.
          Cleaning the flux from the holes can be a bit challenging but what worked best for me was alcohol based because it evaporates slower. Use a pin to gently poke any residue from the holes.

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          • rtstorm
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Feb 2012
            • 971
            • Croatia

            #6
            Re: BGA non direct stencil help

            Thank you, i noticed that every time i put balls and when i try to lift stencil many balls stay on the stencils and wont fall through hole, like tha hole is to small but it is not.
            ...the quieter you become the more you are able to hear...

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            • dellxps15
              Badcaps Legend
              • Feb 2014
              • 1585
              • italy

              #7
              Re: BGA non direct stencil help

              put flux, then remove extra by passing 4 time (1 for each side) a similar " credit card" .

              then put in place stencil and allign it perfectly. ofcourse before all that clean the stencil with a fresh isopropilic alchool.

              edit: flux quality is very important. i use kingbo with pb or original amtech 559 uv tpf
              Last edited by dellxps15; 01-05-2015, 02:59 PM.

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              • rtstorm
                Badcaps Veteran
                • Feb 2012
                • 971
                • Croatia

                #8
                Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                Here is the picture of it. I dont know how but may ball stay in the stencil.
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                • nojgib
                  Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 30
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                  It's hard to tell in the pic but I don't see any flux squishing though the holes so that's a good sign. If there is anything preventing the balls from falling onto the chip it would be easily seen by holding the stencil up to the light.
                  Originally posted by rtstorm
                  Thank you, i noticed that every time i put balls and when i try to lift stencil many balls stay on the stencils and wont fall through hole, like tha hole is to small but it is not.
                  The only other thing that comes to mind would be if the balls themselves have flux on them from previous attempts. I never put solder balls back into the container they came from because any slight residue of flux would make them stick together or stick on the stencil.

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                  • stj
                    Great Sage 齊天大聖
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 30927
                    • Albion

                    #10
                    Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                    cheap ultrasonic cleaner is handy for these problems.

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                    • rtstorm
                      Badcaps Veteran
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 971
                      • Croatia

                      #11
                      Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                      Can i use the smaller ball? Like i have stencil that is 0.5 and i put ball 0.4?

                      I try again and still some ball left in stencil. I will try with new sets of ball because i put back sole ball after using them on stencil.
                      ...the quieter you become the more you are able to hear...

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                      • dellxps15
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 1585
                        • italy

                        #12
                        Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                        0.5, use 0.5 for ball that remain on stencil, or they were infected by some flux previously, or stencil is dirty of flux.

                        i clean always stencil each time with fresh isopropilic and balls that remain over the stencil i wont put back is solder balls contenitor, but will trow them for garbage.

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                        • Beowulf
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 175
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                          You can get more help about bga rework on this forum
                          www.advancedreworks.com/forum

                          Yes it's perfectly fine to use smaller balls. But your problem is that your using too much flux. Start from putting almost nothing.

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                          • harshad1975
                            New Member
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 7
                            • India

                            #14
                            Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                            You can check my video on youtube .. it will help for direct heat stencil
                            reball process

                            watch this video :

                            http://youtu.be/0C80O7_galU

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                            • BGA Rework Store
                              Member
                              • Mar 2015
                              • 14
                              • united kingdom

                              #15
                              Re: BGA non direct stencil help

                              think of a grain of rice put that amount on flux should be genuine if its amtech and got a holographic sticker (fake ) I dont sell fake amtech full of cheap crap , But if its orginal a grain of rice size and rub that all over the chip is more than enough, remember good flux is very tacky so little is best , also if you have been using alot of flux you may have clogged the holes on the stencil for stencils I sell the 9050 from aoyue drop those in job done , you can drop down .5 on solder balls but its down to flux and stencil use , dont panic when you look at the chip and think have i put enough on remember the job is to attach the solder and a nice shine of flux over the chip is all you need not a big wax look.
                              if you need stuff contact me and i will send you links Im U.K based but ship worldwide.

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