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  • kevinm34232
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    • May 2012
    • 1884
    • USA

    #1

    Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

    Seemed like a main board issue. So I jumped PS-ON and BL-ON, backlight flickering. The 12V voltage comes up, but 24V is erratic, bouncing from 21-26V, every once in a while settling in at 24V. This happens with or without inverter board conncected.

    So I think the main board is bad, and another problem on the PS.

    Is there something common that would cause this unstable voltage, even with no load?

    Also note the voltage at the large cap also fluctating when PS-ON, from 390-398V +-

    Attached is SM, and you can find schematics starting on page 119. Any help would be apprecited! Thanks
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    Last edited by kevinm34232; 07-17-2016, 08:39 AM.
  • Andrew F. Ali
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    • Jan 2014
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    • Trinidad & Tobago

    #2
    Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

    So you have a Power Board issue......Why do you think you also have Main Board issue, though???

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    • CapLeaker
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      • Dec 2014
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      • Canada

      #3
      Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

      Cuz he can't turn the tv on, so he forced the PSU.

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      • cts_casemod
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        • Jul 2016
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        #4
        Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

        Generally a bad 24V supply will affect the backlight only, not the logic.

        On your case it might be caused by a high ESR on capacitors, but as said earlier, this should not stop the main board and LCD panel from turning on.

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        • cts_casemod
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          • Jul 2016
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          #5
          Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

          Also forgot.... It is normal for the HV capacitor voltage to oscilate as much as +/-15V, thats the Power factor correcting IC regulating to keep the input current sinosoidal (If the supply didnt had PFC you would see rectifid mains, at about 320-360V or half of that for 115V countries)

          This is normal and not a fault.

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          • kevinm34232
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            • May 2012
            • 1884
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

            So I should start with the secondary caps? None are bulging, it's a somewhat newer TV so I didn't suspect them..

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            • CapLeaker
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              • Dec 2014
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              #7
              Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

              To clear this up: do you get PSON and BLon from the main board?

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              • kevinm34232
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                • May 2012
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                #8
                Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                No. Just standby 5V+, power on comes from button controller board, but nothing else.

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                • budm
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                  • Feb 2010
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                  #9
                  Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                  Since you are not getting the PS-ON command from the main baord to turn on the power supply, then how about the BL-ON and the DIM command signals, are they present?
                  BTW, the switched 12V and the 24V are generated by the same power transformer, so
                  Last edited by budm; 07-17-2016, 09:33 PM.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • kevinm34232
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                    • May 2012
                    • 1884
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                    The 12V is pretty stable. What does that mean? I'll have to double check, but I don't think I had any voltage except 5V standby.

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                    • budm
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                      • Feb 2010
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                      #11
                      Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                      If the main board does not send the PS-ON then you are going to have any output at the switched 12V or the 24V, at least right now you do have main board problem.
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • Andrew F. Ali
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                        • Jan 2014
                        • 2450
                        • Trinidad & Tobago

                        #12
                        Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                        Originally posted by CapLeaker
                        Cuz he can't turn the tv on, so he forced the PSU.
                        OOPS!! Some how missed that

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                        • kevinm34232
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                          • May 2012
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                          #13
                          Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                          I am jumping the PS-ON and BL-ON with 3.3V, and turning on the PS. This is when 12V and 24V come up, but I the backlights were flashing on and off. When I checked 24V line it was fluctuating.. I am just trying to see how I can narrow down where the problem on the power board is. I know the main board is bad too.. Thanks.

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                          • CapLeaker
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                            • Dec 2014
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                            • Canada

                            #14
                            Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                            have a look at the feedback circuit of the 24v supply. There is also an overvoltage protection circuit that needs to be checked.

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                            • kevinm34232
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                              • May 2012
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                              #15
                              Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                              What would be a good starting point, I have not done much t/s'ing on these circuits?

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                              • budm
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                                • Feb 2010
                                • 40746
                                • USA

                                #16
                                Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                                The dim command signal stable?
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                • kevinm34232
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • May 2012
                                  • 1884
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                                  Is DIM the BRIGHTNESS as in photo? I'll have to check again, but I think there was 0V. And remember, this is with the main board disconnected from the power board.
                                  Attached Files

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                                  • budm
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                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                                    the brightness is the same as DIM, 0VDC = NO BACKLIGHTS.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • budm
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Feb 2010
                                      • 40746
                                      • USA

                                      #19
                                      Re: Sharp LC-42D69U won't turn on, has 5V standby.

                                      BTW, what is the LCD panel model number?
                                      Never stop learning
                                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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