Post your system.......

[grss1982]

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Nope, it's only Apple users getting screwed with soldered SSDs. They are a hardware company that remove the ability for their users to upgrade to gouge even more money and differentiate models.

There might be a few non Apple devices with soldered SSDs but any manufacturer of motherboards or assembler of PCs or laptops would be seriously hampering their sales if they did this, I also seriously doubt it will happen.

Microsoft Surface: Let me introduce myself.

Soldered SSDs are probably a ting with tablets and mobile phones.

We're not going to see it on desktops probably but on laptops maybe.

[Dan81]

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I can almost say the same for 2.5" laptop WD Blacks.

Ironically the only good one I have (99% health, currently 1 weak sector) is in a HP G62-a35SO, of all things.

[Topcat]

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I googled and binged and found very few reports of this WD oxidation...

I've fix a bunch of them. It was definitely a bigger issue than being reported. Perhaps many got trashed without being diagnosed. This issue however, did not affect the velociraptor. Every bad velociraptor I dealt with always had mass bad sector issues.

[shovenose]

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Looks like it.

I googled and binged and found very few reports of this WD oxidation...

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Thank you!



Yay I'm very excited!!



Hmmm... oxidation on the boards? First I'm hearing of this. What on earth causes that. Faulty manufacturing?

Looks like it.

[shovenose]

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very tidy build shovenose!

Thank you!

I like the ice trays the raptors come in more than the raptors themselves. The trays support SAS, so 15k 2.5 inchers fit nice in them, as well as SSD's for 3.5" scenarios.

BTW Shovenose, I've got a box packed up for you...

Yay I'm very excited!!

Was the problem the same thing as their 7Ks? Was it often a case of board/PCB oxidation/corrosion?

I was hoping that they were at least more reliable than their Blues! Now, those are known for connector oxidation and corrosion, IIRC!

Looks like I have a lot of oxidation on my 2016-built Western Digital Black 7K 500 GB HDD!

Hmmm... oxidation on the boards? First I'm hearing of this. What on earth causes that. Faulty manufacturing?

[diif]

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Just wait till the PC industry adopts soldered SSDs like the new macs then everyone will be screwed.

Nope, it's only Apple users getting screwed with soldered SSDs. They are a hardware company that remove the ability for their users to upgrade to gouge even more money and differentiate models.

There might be a few non Apple devices with soldered SSDs but any manufacturer of motherboards or assembler of PCs or laptops would be seriously hampering their sales if they did this, I also seriously doubt it will happen.

[Uranium-235]

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Just wait till the PC industry adopts soldered SSDs like the new macs then everyone will be screwed.

I don't think that will happen. Even my super thin LG Gram has two replaceable 2280 slots

Most PC manufacturers want to separate them from apple

[shovenose]

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I stopped for my machine mechanical hard drive between noise and consumption.

of course to improve performance

Now I use DELL Quad NVME and make storage pools with windows and primocache for accelerated .

I store my programs and games there and windows in a another Nvme

It is more than enough for me and I am quite happy with this config

Hard to come back to HDD after

Haha I absolutely hate mechanical hard drives for boot drives but for my games and apps it's good enough. Even Photoshop opens up plenty fast on the 4x VelociRaptor RAID0. No point wasting space on my NVMe boot SSD that's only 256GB. Lame but I got it for free. I could buy a bigger one but I don't need it so why bother.

[BigTroll]

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Just wait till the PC industry adopts soldered SSDs like the new macs then everyone will be screwed.

[Maxpower3]

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Why are old ones better ?

too many cell writing now

[diif]

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"modern" sub 400GB SSDs piss me off... old ones are better!

oh crap...wrong thread.

Why are old ones better ?

[eccerr0r]

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"modern" sub 400GB SSDs piss me off... old ones are better!

oh crap...wrong thread.

[Maxpower3]

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I stopped for my machine mechanical hard drive between noise and consumption.

of course to improve performance

Now I use DELL Quad NVME and make storage pools with windows and primocache for accelerated .

I store my programs and games there and windows in a another Nvme

It is more than enough for me and I am quite happy with this config

Hard to come back to HDD after

[Dan81]

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I still have 2x 74GB Raptors, love 'em and the way they sound.

[shovenose]

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Well, mines not clean at all, but I don't know why you don't use just Nvme SSD's unless there is a specific reason. They're 250gb WD VR's. So if it's raid 5 it's a total of 750GB, raid 0 1tb. You can get a good quality 1TB SSD for $150 or so

Yeah but four of them in RAID0 performs nice. Plus they sound cool when they're busy

I am using an nvme SSD as the boot drive. The Raptors just hold my games and Adobe creative cloud software.

As for reliability honestly I love them. I have five of these drives. Ones in my bfs PC and these four. All have 30-60k hours on them.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I wouldn't. Velociraptors weren't known for longevity, I've seen a lot of bad ones; far more than SSD's. The earlier 3.5" raptors were the workhorses, but were slower.

Was the problem the same thing as their 7Ks? Was it often a case of board/PCB oxidation/corrosion?

I was hoping that they were at least more reliable than their Blues! Now, those are known for connector oxidation and corrosion, IIRC!

Looks like I have a lot of oxidation on my 2016-built Western Digital Black 7K 500 GB HDD!

[Topcat]

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Honestly, I would take a 250 GB 'Raptor over a 250 GB SSD on today's PCs!

I wouldn't. Velociraptors weren't known for longevity, I've seen a lot of bad ones; far more than SSD's. The earlier 3.5" raptors were the workhorses, but were slower.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I like the ice trays the raptors come in more than the raptors themselves. The trays support SAS, so 15k 2.5 inchers fit nice in them, as well as SSD's for 3.5" scenarios.

BTW Shovenose, I've got a box packed up for you...

Honestly, I would take a 250 GB 'Raptor over a 250 GB SSD on today's PCs!
Because SSDs smaller than 400-something GB, have poor write endurance.

Albeit I have to admit that the Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB NVMe SSDs seem to be good. At least they are when you don't have super large software!

The Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB NVMe SSD isn't in my daily driver, anyways.

My daily driver, has a Samsung 970 Pro 512 GB NVMe SSD.

I also bought a Western Digital Black SN750 500 GB NVMe SSD, which is still in the box at the time of this post.

[Uranium-235]

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Well, mines not clean at all, but I don't know why you don't use just Nvme SSD's unless there is a specific reason. They're 250gb WD VR's. So if it's raid 5 it's a total of 750GB, raid 0 1tb. You can get a good quality 1TB SSD for $150 or so