Firewire + USB problems

[pentium]

*sigh*
This system is really starting to smell "lemon fresh".
I got this Canon ZR80 A mini DV camcorder for $20 so I could make quick Youtube stuff however when I plugged it into the system and tried to dump the tape to the system, one of two things would happen:

1-The system would become horrendously sluggish and unresponsive and the stop button on the camera would have to be pressed or the camera unplugged to return it to normal.

2-The system would capture fine but then a minute and a half into the capture the system would lock up rock solid and the reset button would have to be pressed.
I have two VIA chipset based firewire/usb combo cards as well as the firewire on my Audigy 2 ZS platinum and both do the same thing so I can't blame the crappy $5 combo card.

On top of that, the internal USB headers on my motherboard (MSI 865PE Neo2-Platinum) are erratic.
One goes to my D-bracket and those ports work fine but the other go to my card reader and front USB port.
For the reader, Windows sees the reader but does not allow me to do anything with it (not visible in My Computer) and the front USB port likes to just make the system say "Unrecognized device inserted" even though other stuff works fine (My shuffle worked fine the first time but the next time it said it had malfunctioned and refused to do anything)
My suspicion is it does not have enough power but I really don't know and have not yet tried switching the headers around.

Any ideas?

[Harvey]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

VIA chipset based

Hence your problems.

[weirdlookinguy]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

Dude... no offense but I think you need to find a new motherboard... That system has given you nothing but trouble.

[Harvey]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

Shhhhh.. don't tell him about this .. http://www.devhardware.com/forums/mo...b-s-33530.html -you know it keeps him busy playing

[Wizard]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

ICH5R is a raid southbridge chipset. I was wondering if they had investigated bad 5Vsb capacitor failing in PSUs? USB power paths is routed *seperately* from southbridge's via filters and on good boards usually have PTC resistors that momentily opens up if excessive current flowing (look like green or white with symbol "1X1".) Now last few years, USB ports is constantly powered via 5Vsb to my annoyance. I bought a 3.5" USB hub and cut the 5V wire on plug cable and backfed the hub with 5V from one of drive connectors so it will only come on when PC is on.

Remember: ICH5 and ICH5R was recycled on at least 2 different northbridges.

PS: Have you diagnosed this by pull both VIA firewire/usb cards and try the usb on the mainboard only to see if this helps? If that does resolve the issues, then I strongly advise getting NEC chipset based USB/firewire cards.

Cheers, Wizard

[washu]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

Firewire: VIA sucks but so does Creative so one VS the other doesn't prove anything. The audigy's firewire hardware may be better, but the drivers are so bad it's a moot point.

USB: The ICH5 has lots of problems with overloaded and blown ports, at least compared to other ICH# chips. Need a MB with a different ICH or a good PCI card. IE: Not VIA.

[pentium]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

Shhhhh.. don't tell him about this .. http://www.devhardware.com/forums/mo...b-s-33530.html -you know it keeps him busy playing

That was worth the read. I should of done my research I guess before I decided on this board. :/

If anything, I try to find combo cards with TI chipsets. I know it's weird but the serve a double purpose (red PCB TI chipset cards seem to work nicely under irix even though the USB half won't work). These Via boards I bought because they were exactly that: cheap.
Yes I did pull the cards and it still decided to lock the system solid.

[Wizard]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

I understand. Good diagnosis.

Cheers, Wizard

[pentium]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

BuMP
I ended up replacing the two VIA-based USB/firewire combo cards with two NEC-based cards. one USB, the other Firewire.
For starters, the system does not instantly die now when a firewire device like say my iPod is connected but it still gives off static and does other nasty stuff the moment you start to transfer data. The good part though is that the speed is no longer crap, unfortunately, now when you plug any USB devices in other than my mouse or keyboard, the system instantly locks solid, no matter what USB port you try.

*sigh*

[toastygoodness]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

you need a new mb and a TI-based firewire card. neweg has some under their rosewill brand that work well. i use them for audio and video. did you try reformatting? otherwise its your mb that's being special.

[pentium]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

I'll have to agree with you. Looks like my board is just about at its end.
The USB issues have boiled down to another two ports on the board dying. That now makes all four internal onboard USB standoffs dead or malfunctioning. All I got left are four at the bulkhead ond four on the card.
I'll buy a nice 2tb drive to back everything up onto first and begin the grim task of replacing the board and reinstalling XP.
I always feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette when I reinstall. I have no idea when my copies of Office XP and XP pro will hit their registration limit and I'll have to start hunting for new copies.

[toastygoodness]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

I'll have to agree with you. Looks like my board is just about at its end.
The USB issues have boiled down to another two ports on the board dying. That now makes all four internal onboard USB standoffs dead or malfunctioning. All I got left are four at the bulkhead ond four on the card.
I'll buy a nice 2tb drive to back everything up onto first and begin the grim task of replacing the board and reinstalling XP.
I always feel like I'm playing Russian Roulette when I reinstall. I have no idea when my copies of Office XP and XP pro will hit their registration limit and I'll have to start hunting for new copies.

lol that's kind of gross. man what board do you have? haha

you can call microsoft and tell them you are reinstalling can't you? i mean they don't care about those two anymore.... do they?

[pentium]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

They dont like it when you reinstall as they have no way to know if you really are reinstalling on the same system or if you are using the same license to install on multiple systems.
I forget the model of the board but I remember it was one of MSI's last Socket 478 boards. It's black as well. I'm sure I have mentioned the model somewhere here before but it eludes me right now.

[toastygoodness]

Re: Firewire + USB problems

ew msi haha. bet you recapped the hell outta that. socket478 is out the window, unless you are running northwood. time to save up for some new cheap amds haha