A Colossal HDD Failure

[BigTroll]

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I think i have 75mbps here, I could buy more and after having a 150mbps plan before I do sometimes miss the extra speed when downloading a huge game from steam, however 75 has usually been more than enough for me and its not worth the extra cost for me to upgrade.Comcast really sucks and you always have to renegotiate the agreement at the end of the term or enjoy the price hike.

I like Hitachi drives especially the laptop ones, Toshiba desktop drives are supposedly rebadged Hitachis and I have had zero failures with those also.

[CapLeaker]

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My 2x 2TB WD Black drives (WD2003FZEX) have around 27,800 hours on them and a little bit short of 700 start-stop cycles. They take around 10 seconds to get up to speed.

My Hitachi has twice the amount of running hours. No errors!

[Curious.George]

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Me being conned? WTF?! In many other regions, they pass off 200 Mbit as something state-of-the-art, reminds me of monitor manufacturers still dragging on with 1080p! 1 Gbps FTTH has been around in Springfield, Vermont, at least since later in 2013. Albeit the ONT installed on houses, was likely a year older and been sitting there, with us waiting for them to be enabled...

I saw the fiber and the ONT get installed on the outside of the house in 2012, IIRC, but I still only had ADSL in 2012.

You've completely missed the point.

Are you *using* that bandwidth? Will they sell you 10% of that bandwidth for 10% of the price? Do you even need that 10%?

Would you buy a gross of donuts -- if you could only eat a dozen?

I spent some time with colleagues a year or two ago debating how fat a pipe you need for a "family of four" (e.g., imagine 4 people streaming 4K video while also surfing the web). We concluded that the only way to even begin to make use of the sorts of bandwidths they were touting was if you wanted to spend it on "entertainment". And, even then, you lose a third of the capacity to "time spent asleep".

[kevin!]

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Me being conned? WTF?! In many other regions, they pass off 200 Mbit as something state-of-the-art, reminds me of monitor manufacturers still dragging on with 1080p! 1 Gbps FTTH has been around in Springfield, Vermont, at least since later in 2013. Albeit the ONT installed on houses, was likely a year older and been sitting there, with us waiting for them to be enabled...

I saw the fiber and the ONT get installed on the outside of the house in 2012, IIRC, but I still only had ADSL in 2012.

How lucky to have 1Gb since 2013, I have been with ADSL until October 2019, and I had a rate of 50 dollars per 20Mb ... Now with the fiber I have a rate of 38 dollars of 1Gb and 300Mb of upload.
Unfortunately, if it is, ISPs sell much lower connections at more expensive prices and sell it as the last generation. And on top of that, many areas can only hire ADSL for 50 dollars (spain) ...
Here in Spain they offer Gb as the latest generation ...

[RJARRRPCGP]

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It looks more like you were conned! What do you use that bandwidth for? You can fill a TB drive in ~130 minutes. THEN what??

Me being conned? WTF?! In many other regions, they pass off 200 Mbit as something state-of-the-art, reminds me of monitor manufacturers still dragging on with 1080p! 1 Gbps FTTH has been around in Springfield, Vermont, at least since later in 2013. Albeit the ONT installed on houses, was likely a year older and been sitting there, with us waiting for them to be enabled...

I saw the fiber and the ONT get installed on the outside of the house in 2012, IIRC, but I still only had ADSL in 2012.

[kevin!]

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Same - particularly with the Barracuda ATA IV/V and 7200.7 series. Some claim the 7200.9 are also very reliable, but I'm on the edge with that statement. The 7200.10 and later certainly weren't, though.

The 7200.10 series are very reliable, although it also influences its useful life if it carries a quality power supply.
I have had 7200.7, 7200.10, 7200.14 and they have not given me problems, even 7200.11 had the famous BSY bug and never affected it, I updated the firmware and it is about to reach 46,000h, although it has several reallocated sectors, but The HDD has always worked well.
I leave these captures, of several seagates, one with 100,000h to withdraw, it was a 7200.7, then 2 7200.14, one with 61,000h and without any problem, I have Windows 10 pro installed on that hard disk, and it is placed on a fujitsu esprimo p420 computer e85 + I found and it goes great. It has very good health that even supports up to 117 MB / s in download by FTTH 1Gb.
Then there are my 2 maxtors 7200.10 160GB ATA, one with 61,000h and another with 30,000h.

[Curious.George]

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200Mbps is only 25 MB/s, like a very-late-1990s to early-2000s HDD.
And compared to where I live in the northeast U.S., it looks like you were conned. I have 1 Gbps down and 1 Gbps up FTTH.

It looks more like you were conned! What do you use that bandwidth for? You can fill a TB drive in ~130 minutes. THEN what??

[RJARRRPCGP]

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200mbps fibre line.

200Mbps is only 25 MB/s, like a very-late-1990s to early-2000s HDD.
And compared to where I live in the northeast U.S., it looks like you were conned. I have 1 Gbps down and 1 Gbps up FTTH.

[TechGeek]

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My 2x 2TB WD Black drives (WD2003FZEX) have around 27,800 hours on them and a little bit short of 700 start-stop cycles. They take around 10 seconds to get up to speed.

[BigTroll]

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yupp always check the label, RJARRRPCGP. they are samsung labelled drives NOT "samsung by seagate" labelled.

anyway, bigtroll, are those drives u have HD103SJ drives? i luv those cuz they are the fastest 1tb drives around. faster than even the 1tb wd cav blacks. great for running raid 0. i use them on my bittorrent rig to increase throughput and to avoid disk overloaded warning messages on my 200mbps fibre line.

Just checked and YES they are both HD103SJ drives! One is up to 49000 hours now both show no reallocated sectors, both run 24/7 running as NVR for my cameras. I also know the older samsung drives said made in korea which no seagate drives were ever made in korea to my knowledge.

I thought about using them in raid, but the computer is a ThinkCentre M78 socket FM2 lenovo and I havent heard good things about AMD raid so I never bothered.

[momaka]

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I had a 15k do that once.... it made a hell of a racket!

Oh I bet!
At 15k RPM, those platters have a lot of momentum. Ain't no head going to stop them just like that. I imagine it looked similar to the one above, if not worse.

Yep worst I've seen was a 15k that had dead motor driver IC, melted spindle motor coil, destroyed heads and all platters surface gone into dust. Was stress-tested for a day to make sure it works then a couple of months later it died randomly while idling.

Nice!
Your low level format is now complete, sir!

I hate seagate drives, when you said colossal failure i figured it would be a YUGE drive like a QUANTUM BIGFOOT!

Oh, I have a wonky one like that too. Posted it a while back here... or rather the power-up sounds it made.
https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showpo...1&postcount=50

^ In short, that HDD still works, but has a hard time calibrating after a power up, suggesting it will probably fail soon. Has lots of bad sectors and had a few ever since I found it some 15+ years ago. As such, I never used it much. Maybe 50 hours total in those 15+ years, if even that. I mostly keep it just because its big and cool-looking - makes folks appreciate storage technology a bit more today.

"Certified Repaired HDD"

Good catch! I didn't notice this until now.
Probably explains the condition it's in.
Of course, it could also be that after it was refurbished/repaired, it was mishandled with shipping. I guess we will never truly know.

I've actually had good luck with their server level Barracuda and Cheetah Seagate drives over the years.

Same - particularly with the Barracuda ATA IV/V and 7200.7 series. Some claim the 7200.9 are also very reliable, but I'm on the edge with that statement. The 7200.10 and later certainly weren't, though.

As for WD... appears their HDDs are good as long as you don't power-cycle them too much (whereas Seagate appears to be the other way around.) I'm I hard "power-cycler" with my personal PCs, so I've had OK luck with Seagate HDDs so far and more or less OK luck with WD. Had a 80 GB WD fail a few weeks ago. No bad sectors, but started having a hard time starting up for about a week. Then it failed. I suppose that was a good enough warning, though. IME, WD HDDs usually don't give much warning when they are about to fail, whereas Seagate usually do (typically high bad sector count.)

I have a similar model: ST31000340NS, Seagate, ES.2 1000Gbytes, It would not spin up, I check that there was drive to the motor, and it was ok. So I opened the drive and the bearing is seized solid.

You sure it's not the heads stuck to the disk? Older Maxtor HDDs were notorious for this. I've also seen it happen to a 2.5" WD Blue (250 GB, IIRC.) When it comes to heads sticking to platters, that's where Hitachi shines, as they use those head ramps. Toshiba does too, IIRC... but that's all they got going for them. Hitachi, on the other hand, had/have some pretty decently reliable HDDs.

Happy to say my 19GB Quantum Bigfoot is still functioning into 2020~

One of the few left, probably.

Don't worry these are samsung drives made before seagate bought them out.They were made in 2009/2010.

That's what I have in my "main" PC right now: a Samsung Spinpoint SP0802N. I believe that's also before Seagate acquired them, as it's an 80 GB IDE HDD. And even if it is a Seagate HDD, it's from around the same era as the 7200.7 and 7200.9 drives, so it should still be OK.

[ChaosLegionnaire]

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yupp always check the label, RJARRRPCGP. they are samsung labelled drives NOT "samsung by seagate" labelled.

anyway, bigtroll, are those drives u have HD103SJ drives? i luv those cuz they are the fastest 1tb drives around. faster than even the 1tb wd cav blacks. great for running raid 0. i use them on my bittorrent rig to increase throughput and to avoid disk overloaded warning messages on my 200mbps fibre line.

[BigTroll]

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Don't worry these are samsung drives made before seagate bought them out.They were made in 2009/2010.

[TechGeek]

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The new Samsung platter drives are Seagate, IIRC!

*snip*

And they suck just as bad.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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both were replaced wtih 1tb samsungs with 48k hours on both no reallocated sectors.

The new Samsung platter drives are Seagate, IIRC!

IIRC, for drives, except maybe optical drives, Samsung only does solid state drives now.

[R_J]

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Don't many drives (consumer drives, at least) have a "recirculation filter" (piece of foam or other material) to filter the air inside them? Many pictures of disassembled hard drives are on the web. Just like an old foam seat cushion, these filters may be falling apart due to old age. (There is also another filter to allow air to escape when the drive heats up and air inside the drive expands.)

The filter in this drive is not foam but more similar to a cloth fiber, it is located in the top left of the of the drive above the platter in picture #2

[BigTroll]

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Happy to say my 19GB Quantum Bigfoot is still functioning into 2020~

Awesome! I have a 8.0 Bigfoot in a 95 rig since it fits right in with the 8.4gb limit.

[Hondaman]

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I thought there were clock mechanisms (just like the $3.88 clocks you buy at Wal-Mart) that could be fitted to the center of one of these platters. Are they still available at craft and hobby stores?

This clock would stand out from the "typical" hard drive platter that was turned into a clock.


Edited to add:

...some piece of foam in the drives thats flaking apart....

Don't many drives (consumer drives, at least) have a "recirculation filter" (piece of foam or other material) to filter the air inside them? Many pictures of disassembled hard drives are on the web. Just like an old foam seat cushion, these filters may be falling apart due to old age. (There is also another filter to allow air to escape when the drive heats up and air inside the drive expands.)

[goontron]

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I hate seagate drives, when you said colossal failure i figured it would be a YUGE drive like a QUANTUM BIGFOOT!

Happy to say my 19GB Quantum Bigfoot is still functioning into 2020~

[BigTroll]

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I've actually had good luck with their server level Barracuda and Cheetah Seagate drives over the years. Back in the day, they were far less failure-prone than any of the others on the same platform (higher-end SCSI). Quantum was my most hated....SCSI or IDE, bastards would always just die without warning. WD didn't make SCSI HDD's, atleast I never knew of any, but WD was my favoured drive for IDE/SATA systems...and that still holds true today.

I don't have much experience with scsi except 50 pin drives in my macs and most from the factory were quantum and seemed to last along time however they put some piece of foam in the drives thats flaking apart and killing them now, at least thats the word in the 68k mac forums. I do have one 2gb seagate scsi in a mac that still going strong but is very noisy.

For ide/sata samsung drives were my favorite before they sold out to seagate, always seemed reliable. but yeah the 7200.11 and 7200.12 are garbage, I just replaced my 1tb seagate 7200.12s last month in my camera NVR, both had over 2000 bad sectors and 1 became unreadable by my bios. both were replaced wtih 1tb samsungs with 48k hours on both no reallocated sectors.