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  • acstech
    GrumpyModerator
    • Jul 2007
    • 1432
    • USA

    #1

    Samsung hard drives...

    I feel the need to inform the forum about some recent Samsung failures I've had as of late. I have recommended them in the past, but recent developments have me thinking twice.

    First, the F1 1TB drive in my personal computer. It would work fine, no data corruption, except that every so often the hard drive light would come on, stay on, and the comptuer would freeze. This started happening after a few months, and with increasing frequency over time. It would happen maybe every other week to start out, then every other day, and when it got really bad it was every day. The temporary fix is to remove power to the computer entirely, and let it sit for a few minutes. The longer the better. Then it will work again for a while.

    I looked up the problem on Google, and apparently the fix is to download the Samsung utility, and change the max transfer rate from SATA 300 to SATA 150. I did that and it fixed it entirely. It's been about a week now and it's been functioning perfectly. I didn't notice the difference in speed.

    Second is a couple SP2504C Spinpoint P series 250GB drives. One of them developed random errors. The errors would show up copying a large, multi-GB file. The md5sum results of the original and the copy would be different. I thought the drive was just screwed up by a bad Antec that was in the computer. That is, until last week when I found another SP2504C with a similar issue. The data wouldn't corrupt as far as I could tell, but it would come up with an error 11 in the Windows event viewer. This means the driver detected an error in the disk controller. In both cases the fix was to replace the drive. A simple Linux "dd" command cloned the drive to other 250GB drives, at which point the errors went away. I hear the fix for these drives is also to lower the transfer rate from SATA 300 to SATA 150, although I have yet to try it.

    Thought I'd keep everyone informed. It seems issues are limited to these two models, at least from what I've seen. But I'll be keeping my eyes open. I still consider Samsung to be a decent brand, but you've got to be aware of what the potential issues are during installation.
    Last edited by acstech; 02-04-2009, 11:31 AM. Reason: correction
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  • willawake
    Super Modulator
    • Nov 2003
    • 8457
    • Greece

    #2
    Re: Samsung hard drives...

    i was looking at HD103UJ 1TB but there were several unfavorable reviews on newegg.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152102
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    • pentium
      Badcaps Legend
      • Mar 2006
      • 2778
      • Canada

      #3
      Re: Samsung hard drives...

      Samsung has never had any luck with hard drives. They did make one or two good batches but ever since day one their drives have not really been the best.
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      • Scenic
        o.O
        • Sep 2007
        • 2640
        • Germany

        #4
        Re: Samsung hard drives...

        i had to build a PC for a new customer a few months ago..

        i've chosen a Samsung drive (250GB) because the shop had it in stock and it was rather cheap..

        bad choice :/

        first HDD was DOA.. RMA'd it..
        second drive worked fine...
        gave her the PC and everything was fine... until she called me about a week later.. "my PC doesn't boot anymore"... *argh*

        went to her... HDD wasn't recognized anymore (BIOS), but still spinning up.
        perfect.. next RMA *grrr*

        in the meantime i bought a 250GB WD which is still working fine in that PC (at least she didn't call me yet )

        when the RMA'd Samsung drive came back (a new sealed one), i sold it on ebay as new (because it actually was new)...
        those ebay idiots actually bid higher than what i've paid for in the shop LOL

        so... my customer is now happy with her new PC, i got rid of that samsung drive and i actually got 9€ more for that drive than i paid for it LOL

        but it's still not really good for my reputation..
        new customer and problems like this.. *argh*
        i explained it to her that the first drive was DOA (happens from time to time) and the second one just died, and that i've bought a completely different drive now (no costs for her) so this doesn't happen again... hopefully she believed that... :/

        Samsung...? no thanks. not anymore..
        Last edited by Scenic; 02-04-2009, 01:12 PM.

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        • acstech
          GrumpyModerator
          • Jul 2007
          • 1432
          • USA

          #5
          Re: Samsung hard drives...

          Ok, so what is the most reliable brand? WD?

          I probably have 20+ Samsung drives out there, and those 3 are the only problematic ones. I would rather have 0 problems though...
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          • Sparky
            High voltage
            • Jan 2007
            • 234
            • USA

            #6
            Re: Samsung hard drives...

            I've only ever had one bad samsung and that was a strange PCB grounding issue, not even a data storage problem.

            WD, on the other hand.....let's not go there. About lost my data twice thanks to them. Now that was a few years ago, maybe they are better now.

            I use samsung and seagate primarily. Aside from seagate's recent firmware blunder they generally are good drives.

            I have 3x 250GB drives in my PC - a seagate sata2 single platter (fast ), a little older samsung sata2 spinpoint P series (RMA replacement for the one that had a ground issue), and some really old clunker maxtor sata1. Seagate is my primary drive, samsung is image storage and some backup (was primary drive before the seagate), and the maxtor is a redundant backup of the samsung. The maxtor is too slow for much else

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            • 370forlife
              Large Marge
              • Aug 2008
              • 3112
              • United States

              #7
              Re: Samsung hard drives...

              I have a samsung drive. A samsung SV8004H, wasn't that fast, 5400rpm and a 2mb cache, but it ran really quiet and really cool. About 24C without even a fan. Still haven't had any problems with it.

              As for western digital, I run a 320gb sata2 single platter in my computer, it is very fast, runs about 31C, and is very quiet. No problems with it what so ever so far.

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              • Scenic
                o.O
                • Sep 2007
                • 2640
                • Germany

                #8
                Re: Samsung hard drives...

                hmm.. i only know about some problems on the WD RAID Edition 2 (RE2)
                they had a lot of DOAs or had 80% bad sectors directly after unboxing..
                all other WDs were fine for me... Caviar Green, Blue and Black and the AV Series..

                Hitachi seems to be OK too.. but they still have to fight their bad reputation from the Deathstar desaster..

                i'm actually using a 320GB SATA Hitachi (DeskStar T7K500 (HDT725032VLA360)) as my external HDD...
                it's vibrating a little bit more than i'm used to from WDs, but no problems whatsoever..

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                • i4004
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 2029

                  #9
                  Re: Samsung hard drives...

                  >About lost my data twice thanks to them.

                  "about" means you didn't lose data, right?

                  i can only WISH all my hdds will give suigns of dying prior to dying!

                  >Ok, so what is the most reliable brand? WD?

                  probably.
                  i'm buying wd only(cheapest models i can find), as so far so good.

                  aim for 0 problems?
                  i don't think you can expect that from any hdd mfr of the day.
                  Last edited by i4004; 02-04-2009, 02:57 PM.

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                  • i4004
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 2029

                    #10
                    Re: Samsung hard drives...

                    >hmm.. i only know about some problems on the WD RAID Edition 2 (RE2)
                    they had a lot of DOAs or had 80% bad sectors directly after unboxing..

                    exactly the opposite of pcbonez' experience mentioned here
                    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...=re2#post60899

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                    • Scenic
                      o.O
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2640
                      • Germany

                      #11
                      Re: Samsung hard drives...

                      @ i4004: well.. the HDDs i got back after i RMA'd them were just fine..
                      could be shipping related.. dunno... but for 4 drives ?! (shipped seperately over time, not in one package)

                      the drives i got from WD as a replacement (new sealed RE2's) still work fine without any problems..

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                      • i4004
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2029

                        #12
                        Re: Samsung hard drives...

                        are you getting all your hardware from same place?

                        you say 80% of bad sectors? are these badly refurbished drives? uh...

                        dunno, but it seems to me you're not getting new devices...like i previously said, i don't think they can be damaged while shipping...

                        if i'm reading what you wrote correctly, you got 4 hdds over a certain period, and ALL 4 were problematic?
                        if so, screw that distributor...

                        i'm not saying it didin't happen, just that it's weird...and also i would probably sue those assholes(dealer) for wasting my time on faulty merchandise...i mean do i have time to return 4 hdds because they ship things that don't work?

                        otoh, if you got 50 wd hdds, and 4 don't work, that's to be expected....

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                        • Scenic
                          o.O
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 2640
                          • Germany

                          #13
                          Re: Samsung hard drives...

                          nope.. bought those from 3 different shops (2x one HDD, 1x 2 HDDs).
                          all of them were new bulk HDDs (sealed in that WD labeled antistatic bag with those small silica gel bags inside).

                          i had problems with 4 drives out of 6 (all WD RE2 HDDs)

                          2 worked fine from day 1 (and they seem to still do.. no complaints from customers yet), the other ones were DOA (no spinup) or had tons of bad sectors. replacement HDDs for those drives (RMA) worked fine without problems..

                          i'll take that as bad luck.. maybe shipping (DHL is known _not_ to be careful with some packets sometimes..) or maybe i got some monday-HDDs or something..!? i don't know..

                          all other HDDs i bought from those shops worked fine since day 1 ..so i don't think those shops are to blame for that..

                          anyways.. both shops don't have RE2's in stock anymore... only RE3's..

                          edit: okay.. one of those shops still has a RE2 in stock, but only a 160GB one.. all others are RE3's ..
                          Last edited by Scenic; 02-04-2009, 04:40 PM.

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                          • Junk Parts
                            Court Jester
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 8953
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: Samsung hard drives...

                            Had a Samsung and it rattled like nuts and bolts in a tin can but it always worked. I scrapped the PC before the drive ever died. Had two Fujitzu 10's in a LOL 486 PC. First the primary developed a shit pile of bad sectors then it gave up all together one day. Moved the secondary to primary. I got about two weeks out of it then one day the Bios couldn't detect it anymore. Bought a new Seagate. It lasted until I junked said PC and moved the drive to a PII system. In the end it didn't die. I think I gave it to my brother. I then switched to Used WD drives cause I could get them for next to nothing. Yes I have had a lot of these used old WD drives take a dump on me but as I said, they were cheap. I went and bought the wife and I some brand new maxtors years back. These things sucked! In four years time I think that I bought three or four of them. It was the same old story. One day the Maxtors decied that they were not going to talk to the mobo bios anymore. We have been on New WD drives for about three years now with no problems so far. The first new WD drive was an RMA replacement for a new 80Gig that my friend wrecked. He tried to put it in an old 486 compaq without using the WD setup utillity that came with the drive. It got formatted down to stupid small size and I couldn't get it back. Before you say it, it didn't have a sector limitation jumper installed on it. That was a good freebie. My wife is still using the RMA replacement drive in her PC.
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                            • i4004
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 2029

                              #15
                              Re: Samsung hard drives...

                              scenic, i think you should play lottery!
                              <wink>

                              i would say chances of getting 4 bad hdds out of 6 are so small that i think you can't find single living person who had same experience...
                              i mean even if those were the crappiest series of crappiest manufacturer!
                              which wd surely is not.

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                              • bgavin
                                Badcaps Legend
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 1355

                                #16
                                Re: Samsung hard drives...

                                One question to ask is, "does it have a Low Level Format utility?"

                                Another is, "Will they do a warranty cross-ship, secured by a credit card?"
                                (Seagate = NO, Western Digital = YES)
                                A month downtime is an AWFULLY long wait for a customer.

                                Then you have to ask, "Is it a Maxtor?"

                                If yes, then

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                                • gg1978
                                  Badcaps Veteran
                                  • Dec 2004
                                  • 431
                                  • USA

                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung hard drives...

                                  I've had a few assorted PL40's and P80's suffer nonreallocable bad sectors, even when the drive has plenty of spare sectors it won't reallocate them.. Maxtors i've had fair luck in the past, but the whole Diamondmax 8/9/10 thing has kinda put a damper on them for me.. WD's tend to work well for a good amount of time, but i've seen a decent number of failed ones.. Seagates i've seen by far the least failure in the field.. I'd say most of the desktops i've worked with had either Seagate or WD in them..

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                                  • RJARRRPCGP
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                                    • Jul 2004
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung hard drives...

                                    Originally posted by gg1978
                                    I've had a few assorted PL40's and P80's suffer nonreallocable bad sectors, even when the drive has plenty of spare sectors it won't reallocate them.. Maxtors i've had fair luck in the past, but the whole Diamondmax 8/9/10 thing has kinda put a damper on them for me.. WD's tend to work well for a good amount of time, but i've seen a decent number of failed ones.. Seagates i've seen by far the least failure in the field.. I'd say most of the desktops i've worked with had either Seagate or WD in them..
                                    I have a Maxtor 6Y060P0, which is a DiamondMax 9 and it's going strong.
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                                    • dood
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                                      • Mar 2004
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung hard drives...

                                      I've got a Diamondmax 10 200gb drive that's probably 4 years old. Got it for cheap from staples back when 200gb drives were pricey. I've never trusted it, and never put any mission-critical data on it. But... it has proved me wrong. And then there's the slimline drives... every one I've come across was bad or failing.
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                                      • RJARRRPCGP
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung hard drives...

                                        Originally posted by dood
                                        I've got a Diamondmax 10 200gb drive that's probably 4 years old. Got it for cheap from staples back when 200gb drives were pricey. I've never trusted it, and never put any mission-critical data on it. But... it has proved me wrong. And then there's the slimline drives... every one I've come across was bad or failing.
                                        The slimline ones suck! I always thought that they weren't like Maxtor!

                                        The slimline ones usually work fine, then become slow to be ready, they have a bad habit of holding up the OS boot time, then eventually disappears from the BIOS.

                                        And I managed to make one give the click of death, which is hard to hear, must have the ears real close, after running utilities, when running SpinRite, IIRC.
                                        Last edited by RJARRRPCGP; 02-22-2009, 07:10 PM.
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