more win10 stuff

[sparkyrick]

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not this notice i hope!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07...ad_ransomware/

LOL!, no, the invite by MS that was sent to me awhile ago came to life on the 29th for my free upgrade. I think I'll sit this upgrade out for awhile.

[joshnz]

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Hard drives account to activation.
Tried clean install with a different drive and my other drives unplugged no dice.

[lookimback]

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Seems real buggy. My Acer Aspire One doesn't seem to like it much. It's frozen up on me a few times. Probably didn't help that all the bloatware was running at startup. My other laptop, HP Pavillion G7 seems OK except for WiFi issues. I uninstalled the Windows 10 driver and installed the 8/8.1 driver from HP and it's working at the moment, but I've always had WiFi problems on this after upgrading to 8.1.

[stj]

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firstly it sounds like the useless bitches at microsoft are trying to do a live upgrade.
they should reboot either to dos/linux-kernel or atleast safemode before installing.

second, microsoft cant write drivers, you should always get fresh drivers from the hardware makers - in your case the makers of the wifi chipset.

[diif]

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Seems real buggy. My Acer Aspire One doesn't seem to like it much. It's frozen up on me a few times. Probably didn't help that all the bloatware was running at startup. My other laptop, HP Pavillion G7 seems OK except for WiFi issues. I uninstalled the Windows 10 driver and installed the 8/8.1 driver from HP and it's working at the moment, but I've always had WiFi problems on this after upgrading to 8.1.

Open the task manager on the Aspire One to see which hardware/software is causing issues.
Is it Realtek wireless in the G7 ?

[Topcat]

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I havent updated my win7 machines in months, in fear of them sneaking this shit into the OS. I know the 2 updates for the nagware, but I'm not sure which ones are the downloaders/installers....so screw it. Win7 SP1 and done.

[diif]

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Only install Important and not Recommended updates in 7 and you won't be bothered by the Windows 10 stuff.

[Stefan Payne]

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So run win7, vista, or even XP.....

...and be a Member of a botnet and distribute virusses, be infected and so on.

Especially XP is just a piece of shit nowadays. You don't use that no more, EVER.
You use at least Windows 7 or 8, if possible...

"have" to?
if a company tells an admin/tech they "have" to, the tech should make it very clear that they as the "expert" are recomending against it and will not be responsible for any failures, losses or downtime caused by the upgrade.

when i have worked for others, i have made it very clear that i am the expert and if they go against my advice then i'm not taking resonsibility for it.

Yeah, you might be an expert. But your grandma is not. She doesn't know if the update is needed or not.

Why does Microsoft implement automatic mandatory updates?
Because even the Chaos Computer Club recomends that!
here is the proof, you need to understand german though...
The interesting part starts at about 1h11min.

They said that it is better for everyone that the updates are distributed and installed automatically.
Because your grandma does not know if this update is good/needed or not...

It will only get worse...

...it already is worse. We already live in 1984. But nobody noticed...

Anyway:
the thing is that everything microsoft does is wrong and they get flamed for it.
Even if they just adept something other companys have for years...

Take Cortona for example.
It's just something Apple has for years, now microsoft implemented something similar to siri. And they get bashed for it. Why is that, that some companys get flamed for the things they do while others can do what they want and nobody cares?!

To be honest: From all companys that do mobile OSes, Microsoft is the one with the least 'spyware', the other two are far more worse - and Microsoft gets flamed for the things they do?!

That's something someone doesn't has to understand, is it?!

this shit just gets better by the hour:
win10 uses P2P distribution to spread all the updates.
http://lifehacker.com/windows-10-use...s-d-1721091469

that means your hosting updates for everybody else - i hope you have an unlimited data plan!!!!

1. Most of them have.
2. You don't have a clue about Win 10, do you?!
Because there is an option for 'limited data plan' somewhere...
So pls stop flaming Windows 10 when you haven't taken a look at all the options that OS has...

maybe, but a lot of laptop users use 3G datacards or tether the computer to a smartphone - they have to pay by the Gb on the phonebill!

But first that's their problem.
And second there are options to disable the P2P distribution of the updates. And there is an option for a limited internet connection also.

So where is the problem?

it's not FUD because all these dodgy options to throw your privacy away, throw your corporate secrets away, throw your security away, and now throw your bandwidth away, are all ON BY DEFAULT.

And? Why is it a problem when M$ does it and it is absolutely OK when Apple and Google does it?!

So it is FUD what you do, because M$ tries to protect privacy as good as they can, the other two do not...

and you know damned well most win users never read the smallprint.
hell, if they did they probably would install Linux instead.

And the same goes for Apple OSX and iOS users, you forgot to mention, did you?
And don't forget the Android users...

You are a Linux fan, OK. That is your right. But please stop talking about things you don't have a clue about!

Linux has still ways to go until it comes close to Windows. There still are many things wrong with it or that are better implemented in Windows...
One of the things are the wars between the different developers - that help no one...

And you really feel that Linux is made of many smaller things...
Because you can't just share something in your network with some easy clicks...
Why is absolutely not understandable...

and what about pre-install's from box-shifters like HP, DELL etc.
you think those will be OFF by default? get real.

And how is that a problem for Microsoft?!
And what do you think they would do if they used Linux? Do you really think that would make anything any better?! I doubt that...

I havent updated my win7 machines in months, in fear of them sneaking this shit into the OS. I know the 2 updates for the nagware, but I'm not sure which ones are the downloaders/installers....so screw it. Win7 SP1 and done.

And THAT is the reason why we need automatic updates in software!

Because YOU didn't update YOUR Windows and have some unfixed security issues...

What do you do when your machine gets hijaked?! What do you do when you distribute virusses because YOU did not patch known security issues?

Just because one or two updates could download a new OS you don't install any security patches for your machine?! SRYSLY?!

[goontron]

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you guys have fun arguing over this. im staying here in FreeBSD Unix land.

[Stefan Payne]

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you guys have fun arguing over this. im staying here in FreeBSD Unix land.

That's the right attitude

[Topcat]

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And THAT is the reason why we need automatic updates in software!

Because YOU didn't update YOUR Windows and have some unfixed security issues...

What do you do when your machine gets hijaked?! What do you do when you distribute virusses because YOU did not patch known security issues?

Just because one or two updates could download a new OS you don't install any security patches for your machine?! SRYSLY?!

Nah, I'm a little more experienced and on the ball than that. Nice try though. Automatic/forced updates? No way. I tell my hardware what to do, not the other way around.

Only install Important and not Recommended updates in 7 and you won't be bothered by the Windows 10 stuff.

Glad to know that they didn't move the win10 crap over to the important updates category. I'm sure its a matter of time before they do, and like Apple and IOS, they will sneak it in and hose every unsuspecting user....and it won't be able to be undone.

[shovenose]

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You can go back from 10 to 7 very, very easily, as long as you've kept the Windows.old folder and some other stuff.

http://www.howtogeek.com/220723/how-...dows-7-or-8.1/

[Pentium4]

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Anyone test 10 on old hardware such as Pentium 4/D, Athlon 64/X2, Core 2?

[goontron]

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Anyone test 10 on old hardware such as Pentium 4/D, Athlon 64/X2, Core 2?

core2 on a toughbook. it runs well.

[shovenose]

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Anyone test 10 on old hardware such as Pentium 4/D, Athlon 64/X2, Core 2?

Runs fine on C2D/Q. Don't bother on a P4/D though. Haven't tested on Athlon 64/X2 but it's probably somewhere between P4/D and C2D/Q.

[Pentium4]

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core2 on a toughbook. it runs well.

Good to know. With how much RAM?

Runs fine on C2D/Q. Don't bother on a P4/D though. Haven't tested on Athlon 64/X2 but it's probably somewhere between P4/D and C2D/Q.

Ahem...Pentium D is better than Athlon 64

How much RAM does it use at idle?

[stj]

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i wont respond to stefan's post because it's too damned long.

but he should know that i'm no apple or google fan either.
that or he has not read many of my posts.

[Per Hansson]

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I havent updated my win7 machines in months, in fear of them sneaking this shit into the OS. I know the 2 updates for the nagware, but I'm not sure which ones are the downloaders/installers....so screw it. Win7 SP1 and done.

They wont sneak it on, all you will get in worst case is the nag screen, you still have to make the active choice in the nag screen to first make it download the upgrade.
And when that is done you have to make the active choice of starting the upgrade.

That said you wont get the nag screen if your computer is part of a domain, but then it's also really pointless to have the nag updater (GWX.EXE) running in the background in that case.

So on my company laptop I disabled it by uninstalling update: KB3035583
There is also a compatibility updates to ease the transition to Win10, it wont hurt to install but if you want to exclude it it's: KB2952664

stj: There is a version of Win10 for companies without most of the NSA spying stuff, no modern apps, no cortana etc etc, I think I like how it looks:
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/thr...no-Modern-Apps

[shovenose]

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Good to know. With how much RAM?

Ahem...Pentium D is better than Athlon 64

How much RAM does it use at idle?

Um... I know it sucks on Pentium D (I tried it) and I know it works well on Core2 Duo and Quad (I tried it) and I just guessed about the AMD...

[Pentium4]

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Um... I know it sucks on Pentium D (I tried it) and I know it works well on Core2 Duo and Quad (I tried it)

Weird, cause Windows 7 is fast on a Pentium D

and I just guessed about the AMD...

I know