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  • RJARRRPCGP
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jul 2004
    • 6304
    • USA

    #101
    Re: more win10 stuff

    Originally posted by eccerr0r
    On modern 2TB drives I am getting around 160MB/sec sequential. On older 0.5TB HDDs I get anywhere from 70 to 90 MB/sec. However the seek rate of these mechanical HDDs dominate their speed and the bump in transfer rate is virtually meaningless for random accesses.

    But it's great for copying videos and ISO images...
    My 0.5 TB Barracudas get close to 130 MB/s.
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    • goontron
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      • Dec 2011
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      #102
      Re: more win10 stuff

      thread derailed.
      Things I've fixed: anything from semis to crappy Chinese $2 radios, and now an IoT Dildo....

      "Dude, this is Wyoming, i hopped on and sent 'er. No fucking around." -- Me

      Excuse me while i do something dangerous


      You must have a sad, sad boring life if you hate on people harmlessly enjoying life with an animal costume.

      Sometimes you need to break shit to fix it.... Thats why my lawnmower doesn't have a deadman switch or engine brake anymore

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      • Stefan Payne
        Badcaps Legend
        • Dec 2009
        • 1267
        • Germany

        #103
        Re: more win10 stuff

        First:
        Anyone who used a SCSI drive as main knows what a piece of shit IDE is...
        With SCSI the system is always responding, even under full load of the drive. Not that much with IDE...
        And there are some things IDE doesn't have but SCSI does. Some things got implemented in the S-ATA protocol but at a later time. NCQ for example...

        And well, ATA comes from the AT Bus...
        Originally posted by diif
        I'm only aware of the WD Velociraptor 10k rpm hard drive in SATA.
        The entire Raptor series from WD is 10k
        Even the old things I have here, WD740GD...
        And those things really used a S-ATA to IDE bridge chip...
        They were not natively S-ATA X-D

        Originally posted by shovenose
        I will benchmark a modern drive and an old drive... both 7200RPM 3.5" SATA, when I get to work... Just to show that there are other differences besides RPM that determine drive performance.
        Yeah, Access Time for example. And I think that the access time may get worse over time...
        And IDE drives do not have NCQ witch helps a lot, I think...

        Originally posted by shovenose
        On the topic of Windows 10, upgraded a family friend from 8.1 to 10 yesterday and he's very happy. Computer is an 4th-gen i3 with 8GB and 1TB hard drive. He also has a brand new Dell laptop with some i7 from the company he works for that's running 7 Pro. He even said that Windows 10 "opened stuff faster" on the desktop than on the laptop, and that "it looks nicer" so clearly unbiased people that don't care about computers beyond them being an effective tool for them to get work done like Windows 10.
        Yeah, I kinda like Windows 10 too. The UI is clearly better than 8, you can get used to it pretty quick. But you have to get used to it!
        It's kinda pointless to use Windows 7 or even newer ones with the old, classical Windows 95 start menu...

        But there are also some things wrong with Windows 10 also...
        Somehow some things that worked under Windows 8 or even 7 don't under 10. That's kinda sad.
        That programms can't change the file association isn't a bad thing. It's more like a security thingy...

        Originally posted by goontron
        thread derailed.
        Better than everyone insulting each other

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        • stj
          Great Sage 齊天大聖
          • Dec 2009
          • 30965
          • Albion

          #104
          Re: more win10 stuff

          the o.s. should be a background task that exists to help you run your programs,
          people talk about windows as though it's the main event!

          i could understand if people talked about office (MS or "open") or a browser/game this way.
          but the o.s. really shouldnt be front-stage like this.

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          • ratdude747
            Black Sheep
            • Nov 2008
            • 17136
            • USA

            #105
            Re: more win10 stuff

            Originally posted by Agent24
            I have plenty of slow IDE drives such as the ST340823A model which are 5400 RPM IDE drives. Seagate U Series with the rubber cover.

            Check the spec sheet here if you don't believe me.
            Oh I do. However, the Seagate barracuda goes back 1992 as Seagate's first 7200RPM drive. They went ata in 1999... and before that, they had the medalist 7200 pro in 1997/1998 (by then IBM also had ide 7200 drives, although they were shit).

            Yes, newer SATA drives are faster... but the RPM isn't much different.
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            • Agent24
              I see dead caps
              • Oct 2007
              • 4940
              • New Zealand

              #106
              Re: more win10 stuff

              Budget stuff might have been more prevalent over here back then... Don't think we had the multitude of cheap Asian computer parts retailers we do now. Most of the older IDE drives I ended up with are 5400RPM and pretty slow.

              I did have a few Barracuda 7200.8(?) though, but almost all suddenly died at one point or another. A common problem it seems.
              Last edited by Agent24; 08-03-2015, 06:31 PM.
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              • stj
                Great Sage 齊天大聖
                • Dec 2009
                • 30965
                • Albion

                #107
                Re: more win10 stuff

                http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/2...no-longer-have

                you may want to skip the article and just read the comments.
                it looks like the fun is begining with incompatable FORCED drivers!

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                • Pentium4
                  CapXon Be Gone
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 3741
                  • USA

                  #108
                  Re: more win10 stuff

                  And you can't just disable that? If not, that's bad...wow

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                  • stj
                    Great Sage 齊天大聖
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 30965
                    • Albion

                    #109
                    Re: more win10 stuff

                    according to the comments, there is a disable option - and it's ignored!!!

                    so it makes me wonder how many other options are ignored - like the privacy opt-outs!!!

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                    • Agent24
                      I see dead caps
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 4940
                      • New Zealand

                      #110
                      Re: more win10 stuff

                      Originally posted by stj
                      according to the comments, there is a disable option - and it's ignored!!!

                      so it makes me wonder how many other options are ignored - like the privacy opt-outs!!!
                      Perhaps they just put the button in before they put in the code to implement its function?
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                      • goontron
                        5000!
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 4108
                        • US

                        #111
                        Re: more win10 stuff

                        Originally posted by Stefan Payne


                        Better than everyone insulting each other
                        its rolling right on down I-80....
                        Things I've fixed: anything from semis to crappy Chinese $2 radios, and now an IoT Dildo....

                        "Dude, this is Wyoming, i hopped on and sent 'er. No fucking around." -- Me

                        Excuse me while i do something dangerous


                        You must have a sad, sad boring life if you hate on people harmlessly enjoying life with an animal costume.

                        Sometimes you need to break shit to fix it.... Thats why my lawnmower doesn't have a deadman switch or engine brake anymore

                        Follow the white rabbit.

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                        • stj
                          Great Sage 齊天大聖
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 30965
                          • Albion

                          #112
                          Re: more win10 stuff

                          Originally posted by Agent24
                          Perhaps they just put the button in before they put in the code to implement its function?
                          lol
                          so they implement the "user choices" in win12?

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                          • Agent24
                            I see dead caps
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 4940
                            • New Zealand

                            #113
                            Re: more win10 stuff

                            Originally posted by stj
                            lol
                            so they implement the "user choices" in win12?
                            Depends if you vote for it in Win12 beta review...

                            Maybe there will be no Win12. Maybe it's just going to be Win10 rolling release forever - until people stop buying it anyway.
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                            • Topcat
                              The Boss Stooge
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 16956
                              • United States

                              #114
                              Re: more win10 stuff

                              Originally posted by Agent24
                              Depends if you vote for it in Win12 beta review...

                              Maybe there will be no Win12. Maybe it's just going to be Win10 rolling release forever - until people stop buying it anyway.
                              People actually PAY for this?
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                              • stj
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                                • Dec 2009
                                • 30965
                                • Albion

                                #115
                                Re: more win10 stuff

                                Originally posted by Topcat
                                People actually PAY for this?
                                yes, not in direct monetery form, but they do pay a heavy price for it!

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                                • shovenose
                                  Send Doge Memes
                                  • Aug 2010
                                  • 6575
                                  • USA

                                  #116
                                  Re: more win10 stuff

                                  y'all are way overblowing every little issue Win10 is having on a few specific configurations.

                                  For example today I upgraded a computer with a Promise TX4-300 PCI SATA controller to Windows 10. The latest drivers I could find were for Vista. Same goes for the INTEL AMT SOL and INTEL AMT HECI crap. And it worked just fine. And the computer is much faster feeling going from 7 Pro to 10 Pro. It was a Dell Optiplex 755 with a 2.5GHz Core 2 Quad, 8GB of DDR2, and 256GB SSD. No hardware changes during the upgrade, and that's actually a pretty mediocre old computer.

                                  The point I am trying to make it that of the millions of people using Win10 only the complainers will post about it. Just like that dowel pin thing on the Cummins 5.9 diesel and Chevy 5.3 gasser AFM issues and whatever else... both of those trucks have millions on the road with those engines with 100K+ miles but the <1000 people with the problems will bitch about it.

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                                  • goontron
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                                    • Dec 2011
                                    • 4108
                                    • US

                                    #117
                                    Re: more win10 stuff

                                    Originally posted by shovenose
                                    y'all are way overblowing every little issue Win10 is having on a few specific configurations.

                                    For example today I upgraded a computer with a Promise TX4-300 PCI SATA controller to Windows 10. The latest drivers I could find were for Vista. Same goes for the INTEL AMT SOL and INTEL AMT HECI crap. And it worked just fine. And the computer is much faster feeling going from 7 Pro to 10 Pro. It was a Dell Optiplex 755 with a 2.5GHz Core 2 Quad, 8GB of DDR2, and 256GB SSD. No hardware changes during the upgrade, and that's actually a pretty mediocre old computer.

                                    The point I am trying to make it that of the millions of people using Win10 only the complainers will post about it. Just like that dowel pin thing on the Cummins 5.9 diesel and Chevy 5.3 gasser AFM issues and whatever else... both of those trucks have millions on the road with those engines with 100K+ miles but the <1000 people with the problems will bitch about it.
                                    Actually i have seen two old Hams typing about this on the radio forums. Apparently it is not just custom builds having problems, its stock units like his Dimension E510 too.
                                    Plus my current WTF. Virtualbox has drivers for Win10, but the upgrade nagger says it is not compatible because of the video card.
                                    Last edited by goontron; 08-04-2015, 09:33 PM.
                                    Things I've fixed: anything from semis to crappy Chinese $2 radios, and now an IoT Dildo....

                                    "Dude, this is Wyoming, i hopped on and sent 'er. No fucking around." -- Me

                                    Excuse me while i do something dangerous


                                    You must have a sad, sad boring life if you hate on people harmlessly enjoying life with an animal costume.

                                    Sometimes you need to break shit to fix it.... Thats why my lawnmower doesn't have a deadman switch or engine brake anymore

                                    Follow the white rabbit.

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                                    • stj
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                                      • Dec 2009
                                      • 30965
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                                      #118
                                      Re: more win10 stuff

                                      one of the fucked ms drivers being pushed is for an integrated realtek audio chip used on a lot of newer motherboards!

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                                      • shovenose
                                        Send Doge Memes
                                        • Aug 2010
                                        • 6575
                                        • USA

                                        #119
                                        Re: more win10 stuff

                                        Originally posted by goontron
                                        Dimension E510
                                        Belongs in a fucking scrap heap.

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                                        • c_hegge
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                                          • Sep 2009
                                          • 5219
                                          • Australia

                                          #120
                                          Re: more win10 stuff

                                          Same here. Pre-C2D = straight to the metal recyclers.
                                          I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

                                          No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

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