Mainboard chipset makers - Gone

[shovenose]

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6 keys? I game and can't imagine where I would need 6 keys at once.

They make plenty of very good USB keyboards, such as my CM QuickFire Ultimate (stupid name, great keyboard)

[Uranium-235]

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Odd, i've every PS/2 keyboard i've ever used was limited to 3

[Uranium-235]

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6 keys? I game and can't imagine where I would need 6 keys at once.

They make plenty of very good USB keyboards, such as my CM QuickFire Ultimate (stupid name, great keyboard)

strafing, moving forward (2)
Jump-crouching (2)
while running +1

improbable, but possible

[Topcat]

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6 keys? I game and can't imagine where I would need 6 keys at once.

They make plenty of very good USB keyboards, such as my CM QuickFire Ultimate (stupid name, great keyboard)

People still game on PC's? That went by the wayside mainstream with the big console explosion....good to see some still do.

[c_hegge]

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^
Yup. I recon PC gaming is actually more popular than console gaming around here.

[Agent24]

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I blame cheap board makers over VIA and SiS.

Cheap chipsets more often used in cheap boards with crappy capacitors and buggy BIOS code which let them down.

I've used many boards with VIA and SiS chipsets and they were fine, maybe a bit slower than Intel, but comparing cheap and higher end boards with the same chipsets, it always came down to the BIOS on the cheap boards being garbage.

Some like Chaintech were so shit you couldn't even install Windows XP, that's on a board with the same chipset that worked perfectly fine on an Asus board for example.

[momaka]

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Odd, i've every PS/2 keyboard i've ever used was limited to 3

Yes, most keyboards indeed have a limit of 3 keys, and some even 1 or 2. It all depends on the keyboard controller, though. I also have a really old (and possibly cheap) keyboard that has a limit of 1.5 keys - that is, sometimes it can register only one key and sometimes it can register two. Very annoying in many games, especially racing when you try to hit the gas and steer at the same time

Jump-crouching (3)

I fixed that for you.
Well, okay, you weren't necessarily wrong. It actually depends on what game your are playing. So jump-crouching (or crouch-jumping?) can take 3 keys sometimes.

People still game on PC's? That went by the wayside mainstream with the big console explosion....good to see some still do.

Yes, people still do game on PCs, but it is rare now - at least here in the US. Almost everyone I know has some kind of a console. I don't count Farmville or those other stupid Flash games as real gaming.

That said, the "Build Your Own PC" section at my local Micro Center still sees a good number of customers, so I guess PC gaming isn't quite dead yet.

I blame cheap board makers over VIA and SiS.

That, and also consoles and tablets. The whole PC market has been shrinking ever since consoles and tablets started becoming mainstream. So it is natural that only the strong board manufacturers would emerge and most of the small ones wouldn't. I guess that also applies to that other "Gone but not forgotten" thread.

[mariushm]

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Yes, most keyboards indeed have a limit of 3 keys, and some even 1 or 2. It all depends on the keyboard controller, though. I also have a really old (and possibly cheap) keyboard that has a limit of 1.5 keys - that is, sometimes it can register only one key and sometimes it can register two. Very annoying in many games, especially racing when you try to hit the gas and steer at the same time

In addition to this, some keyboards have the buttons wired internally (before they go to the controller) in such a way that some combinations of keys won't be passed to the computer.

If you want to do a test by yourself, open Notepad (or any text editor) and while pressing both SHIFT keys, type the phrase "THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG" (basically, this phrase has all the letters from a to z) ... you will see some keys simply don't show up as you press them.

For example, my MS comfort curve 2000 keyboard was almost perfect, only a couple of letters wouldn't register, but my comfort curve 3000 is worse - I blame it on the addition of a Fn key and the second shift having a second purpose (Fn+Shift = right click / Properties)

Can be a pain in the ass with some games tho it doesn't bother me, so far I only know of Pinball using both Shift keys.

[momaka]

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In addition to this, some keyboards have the buttons wired internally (before they go to the controller) in such a way that some combinations of keys won't be passed to the computer.

If you want to do a test by yourself, open Notepad (or any text editor) and while pressing both SHIFT keys, type the phrase "THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG" (basically, this phrase has all the letters from a to z) ... you will see some keys simply don't show up as you press them.

Neat trick

Here's what came up with my Latitude C600 built-in keyboard:
HE QUIK BROWN FO JUPS OER HE LA DOG
I guess not that good

I'll see if I can try that crappy keyboard that I have next week. Should be interesting .

[Per Hansson]

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My Razer Lycosa keyboard seems to be pretty much the same as yours, but I had already figured out it wasn't especially good
HE QUIC BROWN OX UMPS OVER HE AZ DOG

[Agent24]

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HE QUIC BROWN OX UMP OVER EH Z OG
My Saitek USB keyboard doesn't seem that great either.

HE QUIK BROWN FO JUPS OER HE LA DOG
Neither does my A4Tech PS\2 one!

But who really presses both Shift keys at once anyway???

[c_hegge]

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HE QUIC BROWN OX UMP OVER HE Z OG
Some old generic keyboard.

[momaka]

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Anyone got a model M keyboard to try this with? I have one, but not where I am currently. Also curious about the old beige Dell QuietKeys. I guess I will try them in a month or so from now (when I get back home) if no one does.

By the way, back on the main topic, does anyone know if ServerWorks still makes chipsets? My dual P3 ASUS CUR-DLS has that, so it isn't limited like those stupid Intel i810/i815 chipsets.

[Agent24]

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<Minor derailment> I don't know if I have a model M, but I do have some similarly old keyboards around with the AT connector I could try soon.

I theorise that it probably won't make a difference though, there's no need to support both Shift keys pressed at once, so unless some keyboard designers just didn't bother to optimise the circuitry, I imagine even the old ones will act much the same. <Back on track>

I've never heard of ServerWorks, myself.

[pfrcom]

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IBM model M keyboard connected to Asus P5B Deluxe:

HE QUIK BROWN FO JUPS OER HE LA DOGS