HDD error help

[ivtec]

Hi guys;i have this HDD error showing some times,see pic attach.

it started in Win7 and also in Win 10 TP after i upgraded.besides that everything running good.i already checked HDD cmd, chkdsk /f
and there is no errors showing.
Also the error doesn't show in Ubuntu 14.04.

[diif]

Re: HDD error help

Download the hard drive diagnostic software from the manufacturers website. Burn it to CD and boot.

[eccerr0r]

Re: HDD error help

I don't know if Ubuntu includes Gnome-Disk-Utility anymore but that tool should also flag errors like this (probably a SMART condition that the hard disk is flagging to the OS).

But you should heed that warning. Then again you should always backup the hard drive...

[goontron]

Re: HDD error help

heed that warning. take it from someone who has processed thousands of recycled drives, its going and for all you know its going fast.

[ivtec]

Re: HDD error help

Hi guys; update on the HDD issue; well i change to another Sata HDD,installed Win 7 and then upgraded to win 10 TP and all good,
i really don't like to deal with software or hardware Issues,too much to my head,i always like to go the easier route;
on the other HDD that had the HDD Error failing, i installed Ubuntu14.04 and no error notifications,i keep it as spare,in case i'm not given a free Win 10 RTM.

[diif]

Re: HDD error help

Ivtec, Microsoft have announced all versions of Windows 7 and 8/8.1, legitimate or pirate will be eligible for a free copy of Windows 10.

[c_hegge]

Re: HDD error help

That happens because SMART has been tripped. I don't think Ubuntu monitors that, whereas windows does (which is why you didn't get the error in Ubuntu). You could download and run a Short Drive Self Test with Seatools on the drive, and it would probably fail.

[ivtec]

Re: HDD error help

Ivtec, Microsoft have announced all versions of Windows 7 and 8/8.1, legitimate or pirate will be eligible for a free copy of Windows 10.

diff i installed win 7 from an Iso that gives 30 days grace,then i ticked the on line activation then installed Ethernet drivers that i had in an USB stick then updated all l win 7 updates,
then i went in MS and log in as i have an account with MS for Win 10 technical preview,then upgraded to build 10041 then to 1049 and everything is running smooth.

my question is, will i be able to fool Ms to keep a legit free win 10 RTM?

what i wonder why MS lets you upgrade to win 10 tp from a win 7 that is on 30 days trial?

[diif]

Re: HDD error help

Ivtec, yes, you will be fine, all installs are eligible to upgrade to 10.

[ivtec]

Re: HDD error help

Ivtec, yes, you will be fine, all installs are eligible to upgrade to 10.

Thanks diff; that's encouraging,hope you're right.

[vinceroger69]

Re: HDD error help

This is of pc pro web site regarding windows 7 upgrades to windows 10
(23/03/2015): Jane McCallion: Just when it looked like Microsoft was getting ready to bring those who had been using pirated versions of Windows back into the fold with Windows 10, the company has done an abrupt, if rather half-baked, flip-flop.

Last week, Terry Meyerson, who heads up Microsoft's Windows division, told Reuters: "We are upgrading all qualified PCs, genuine and non-genuine, to Windows 10." He explained that this would help Microsoft "re-engage" with the hundreds of millions of potential customers in China in particular, who are currently running "non-genuine" (i.e. pirated) versions of Windows. ZDNet went on to confirm that the offer wasn't open only to pirates in China, but around the world.

Over the weekend, however, it began to appear that Microsoft – or at least part of Microsoft – had undergone a change of heart. Not wishing to contradict itself completely, the company issued ZDNet this fantastic piece of legalese fudging:

"With Windows 10, although non-Genuine PCs may be able to upgrade to Windows 10, the upgrade will not change the genuine state of the license. Non-Genuine Windows is not published by Microsoft. It is not properly licensed, or supported by Microsoft or a trusted partner. If a device was considered non-genuine or mislicensed prior to the upgrade, that device will continue to be considered non-genuine or mislicensed after the upgrade."

Ars Technica was also sent the same statement and, when it tried to clarify "the material implications of having a 'non-genuine' free upgrade to Windows 10" was stonewalled.

[redwire]

Re: HDD error help

To check S.M.A.R.T. numbers I use Crystal Disk Info for Win7,8 (free, but un-click the adware box during install). It will also log your numbers, email on troubles etc.

The Google paper on disk failures ("Failure Trends in a Large Disk Drive Population") found few S.M.A.R.T. parameters correlate with impending drive failure- first Scan Error, re-allocations, etc.
Drive temperature had no effect on lifetime. It's an interesting read but they wouldn't say which manufacturers are lousy.

[ivtec]

Re: HDD error help

Hi guys Update on HDD failure,i did the test in Ubuntu 14.04,although it doesn't show any signs of failure,running Ubuntu at this moment.
here the results.
For now i will run it in Ubuntu till it fails,besides in my opinion ,for me Ubuntu 14.04 better than win 7 or 10,i just stream and browse though ,
i'll keep the good HDD with Win10 Tp installed and will check it out when Win 10 RTM comes out , if MS requires money then screw it, i'll keep free Ubuntu 14.04 very happily.
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sudo apt-get install smartmontools --no-install-recommends

sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
------------------------------------------------------------------------





=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
Device Model: ST3320620AS
Serial Number: 9QF78WVQ
Firmware Version: 3.ADG
User Capacity: 320,072,933,376 bytes [320 GB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA/ATAPI-7 (minor revision not indicated)
Local Time is: Tue Apr 14 00:08:11 2015 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled


=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED!
Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA.
See vendor-specific Attribute list for failed Attributes.


General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 73) The previous self-test completed having
a test element that failed and the test
element that failed is not known.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 430) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 107) minutes.


SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 117 073 006 Pre-fail Always - 0
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0003 097 094 070 Pre-fail Always - 0
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 471
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 001 001 036 Pre-fail Always FAILING_NOW 57106
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 084 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 296546108
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 084 084 000 Old_age Always - 14608
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 097 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 020 Old_age Always - 449
187 Reported_Uncorrect 0x0032 001 001 000 Old_age Always - 65535
189 High_Fly_Writes 0x003a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022 067 038 045 Old_age Always In_the_past 33 (33 104 34 33 0)
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0022 033 062 000 Old_age Always - 33 (0 13 0 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 076 045 000 Old_age Always - 225328440
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0012 095 094 000 Old_age Always - 116
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0010 095 094 000 Old_age Offline - 116
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 4
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0000 100 253 000 Old_age Offline - 0
202 Data_Address_Mark_Errs 0x0032 055 208 000 Old_age Always - 45


SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 120 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)
CR = Command Register [HEX]
FR = Features Register [HEX]
SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
ER = Error register [HEX]
ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.


Error 120 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14556 hours (606 days + 12 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.


After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 51 01 ae f4 49 e0 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0049f4ae = 4846766


Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
42 00 01 ae f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.155 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 02 ae f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.146 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 02 ac f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.130 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 04 ac f4 49 e0 00 04:32:39.878 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 04 a8 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:38.652 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT


Error 119 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14556 hours (606 days + 12 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.


After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 51 02 ae f4 49 e0 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0049f4ae = 4846766


Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
42 00 02 ae f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.155 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 02 ac f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.146 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 04 ac f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.130 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 04 a8 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:39.878 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 08 a8 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:38.652 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT


Error 118 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14556 hours (606 days + 12 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.


After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 51 02 ae f4 49 e0 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0049f4ae = 4846766


Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
42 00 04 ac f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.155 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 04 a8 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.146 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 08 a8 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.130 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 08 a0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:39.878 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 10 b0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:38.652 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT


Error 117 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14556 hours (606 days + 12 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.


After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 51 02 ae f4 49 e0 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0049f4ae = 4846766


Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
42 00 08 a8 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.155 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 08 a0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.146 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 10 b0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:41.130 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 10 a0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:39.878 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 20 a0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:38.652 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT


Error 116 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 14556 hours (606 days + 12 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.


After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
40 51 02 ae f4 49 e0 Error: UNC at LBA = 0x0049f4ae = 4846766


Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
42 00 10 a0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:36.061 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 20 a0 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:36.060 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 20 80 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:36.058 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 40 80 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:39.878 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT
42 00 40 40 f4 49 e0 00 04:32:38.652 READ VERIFY SECTOR(S) EXT


SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short captive Completed: unknown failure 90% 14546 16453020
# 2 Short offline Completed: unknown failure 90% 14546 325795665
# 3 Short offline Completed: unknown failure 90% 14546 171868828
# 4 Short offline Completed: unknown failure 90% 14388 33069049
# 5 Short captive Completed: unknown failure 90% 14388 16453020
# 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 0 -


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

[goontron]

Re: HDD error help

looks like the heads met the platter...

[ivtec]

Re: HDD error help

looks like the heads met the platter...

thanks goontron; what will be be the signs when it it starts to fail?

[goontron]

Re: HDD error help

this one will probably start dropping sectors, or just go right to the click o' death.

[eccerr0r]

Re: HDD error help

As far as the onboard diagnostics say, the drive has already failed: it ran out of spare sectors and data loss is imminent, if you haven't lost any already from the reallocations. Count your blessings and your backups now! And your money for a new drive...

[goontron]

Re: HDD error help

As far as the onboard diagnostics say, the drive has already failed: it ran out of spare sectors and data loss is imminent, if you haven't lost any already from the reallocations. Count your blessings and your backups now! And your money for a new drive...

two votes for dropping sectors...

[kc8adu]

Re: HDD error help

and my vote for a backup then drop in scrap pile! huge amount of reallocates and some current pending.its a goner!

[RJARRRPCGP]

Re: HDD error help

The CRC error section looks like possibly a bad board on the HDD.
Maybe bad cache RAM?