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  • buchman
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Aug 2015
    • 283
    • greece

    #1

    help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

    Hi guys,

    desperately want to fix that tv. a Hisense 65" led 3D.

    Replaced a few components that were damaged (photos attached) and when connected to other boards on the tv it blew the fuse and the FQPF3N80C mosfet. replaced them and it still burning them.
    Attached Files
  • budm
    Badcaps Legend
    • Feb 2010
    • 40746
    • USA

    #2
    Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

    Originally posted by buchman
    Hi guys,

    desperately want to fix that tv. a Hisense 65" led 3D.

    Replaced a few components that were damaged (photos attached) and when connected to other boards on the tv it blew the fuse and the FQPF3N80C mosfet. replaced them and it still burning them.
    What is the designator for that MOSFET you replaced, Q?????
    What section of the circuit that MOSFET is used in?
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

    TV Factory reset codes listing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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    • buchman
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Aug 2015
      • 283
      • greece

      #3
      Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

      Originally posted by budm
      What is the designator for that MOSFET you replaced, Q?????
      What section of the circuit that MOSFET is used in?
      Yes it's Q.
      It is used in the hot section.

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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #4
        Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

        Q what? 1,2,3, 4, 5?
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • budm
          Badcaps Legend
          • Feb 2010
          • 40746
          • USA

          #5
          Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

          I see V857 is badly blown up.
          https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...8&d=1518005198.
          Never stop learning
          Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

          Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

          Inverter testing using old CFL:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

          Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
          http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

          TV Factory reset codes listing:
          http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          • buchman
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Aug 2015
            • 283
            • greece

            #6
            Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

            Originally posted by budm
            Q what? 1,2,3, 4, 5?
            What do you mean?

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            • buchman
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Aug 2015
              • 283
              • greece

              #7
              Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

              Originally posted by budm
              I see V857 is badly blown up.
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              Yes I know. That is after the third attempt I tried to fix the pcb.

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              • R_J
                Badcaps Legend
                • Jun 2012
                • 9557
                • Canada

                #8
                Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                You could have a bad N or an open R or shorted VD Usually when those fets short they take out the drive circuit too
                Last edited by R_J; 02-07-2018, 01:11 PM.

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                • vinceroger69
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 6714
                  • uk

                  #9
                  Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                  Originally posted by buchman
                  What do you mean?
                  printed on the pcb where the part is fitted it will say something like Q185 if we have a schematic we can then follow its path etc or was it a mosfet etc you replaced with the pcb marked starting with a v
                  Last edited by vinceroger69; 02-07-2018, 01:13 PM.

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                  • buchman
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 283
                    • greece

                    #10
                    Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                    getting a read of 0.04 on that component. It say T4 on it.
                    can't figure out what can make him do that.
                    soldered it out and it was ok, it read 0.521 on diode mode.
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                    • buchman
                      Badcaps Veteran
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 283
                      • greece

                      #11
                      Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                      Originally posted by vinceroger69
                      printed on the pcb where the part is fitted it will say something like Q185 if we have a schematic we can then follow its path etc or was it a mosfet etc you replaced with the pcb marked starting with a v
                      on the pcb it says V871.
                      I have replaced that with the same mosfet which is FQPF3n80c

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                      • buchman
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 283
                        • greece

                        #12
                        Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                        Originally posted by R_J
                        You could have a bad N or an open R or shorted VD Usually when those fets short they take out the drive circuit too
                        What are these letters stand for?
                        Last edited by buchman; 02-07-2018, 01:29 PM.

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                        • R_J
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Jun 2012
                          • 9557
                          • Canada

                          #13
                          Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                          Exactly. See if you don't put the location number after the letter they mean nothing, Like `Q' Your burnt fet is labled V857, the part you are measuring in post #10 is VD837
                          The `N' that I refered to is N871, (the ic) The R, would would be to check the resistors that are connected to the fet's Gate pin like R861, R860, R859, etc.
                          You might also want to check the diodes on the secodary like VD838, VD842 etc.
                          Last edited by R_J; 02-07-2018, 01:57 PM.

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                          • buchman
                            Badcaps Veteran
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 283
                            • greece

                            #14
                            Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                            Originally posted by R_J
                            Exactly. See if you don't put the location number after the letter they mean nothing, Like `Q' Your burnt fet is labled V857, the part you are measuring in post #10 is VD837
                            The `N' that I refered to is N871, (the ic) The R, would would be to check the resistors that are connected to the fet's Gate pin like R861, R860, R859, etc.
                            You might also want to check the diodes on the secodary like VD838, VD842 etc.
                            First of all, thanks a lot for your help.
                            second, you were right, I have replaced the N871, the 3 resistors
                            and now my problem is the reading of the VD837.

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                            • buchman
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • Aug 2015
                              • 283
                              • greece

                              #15
                              Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                              what are these letters mean?
                              I know that R is for
                              L for coil
                              D for diode
                              C for caps.
                              But what is VS or N or VD etc.
                              where can I get information about each letter?
                              Last edited by buchman; 02-07-2018, 02:22 PM.

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                              • buchman
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                                • Aug 2015
                                • 283
                                • greece

                                #16
                                Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                                Originally posted by R_J
                                You might also want to check the diodes on the secodary like VD838, VD842 etc.
                                Tested them all and they are ok.

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                                • R_J
                                  Badcaps Legend
                                  • Jun 2012
                                  • 9557
                                  • Canada

                                  #17
                                  Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                                  Thats just what this manufacturer uses, normally integrated circuits are "ICxxx" these guys are using N. for ic's VD for diode and looks like VZ for Zener diode.

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                                  • buchman
                                    Badcaps Veteran
                                    • Aug 2015
                                    • 283
                                    • greece

                                    #18
                                    Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                                    So guys, what are you saying? what can cause the diode VD837 show a reading of 0.040 instead of 0.520 when it's out of the circuit?

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                                    • R_J
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Jun 2012
                                      • 9557
                                      • Canada

                                      #19
                                      Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                                      Try removing the shorted V857 from the circuit for starters, the one with the hole in it.
                                      If the diode still checks like that It could be that the drive ic (N871) is internally shorted
                                      There are also a couple resistors in that circuit, one could be a low value (like 68 ohms) in parallel with it.
                                      What is the number marked on the N871 IC?
                                      Last edited by R_J; 02-08-2018, 11:53 AM.

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                                      • buchman
                                        Badcaps Veteran
                                        • Aug 2015
                                        • 283
                                        • greece

                                        #20
                                        Re: help with schematic or with fixing this pcb

                                        Originally posted by R_J
                                        Try removing the shorted V857 from the circuit for starters, the one with the hole in it.
                                        If it still checks like that It could be that the drive ic (N871) is internally shorted
                                        There are also a couple resistors in that circuit, one could be a low value (like 68 ohms) in parallel with it.
                                        I have a pcb just like that (I have ordered and it came broken and now I am trying to make 1 out of 2).
                                        I have replaced already every component that was faulty.

                                        What is it mean that one of the resistor value is 68 ohms?

                                        there is a resistor like that. He is ok.

                                        I have noticed that when I test for continuity on some of the resistor, take make a beep and some of them not. But, when I test for OHMS they show the correct value.

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