Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

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  • Dannyx
    CertifiedAxhole
    • Aug 2016
    • 3912
    • Romania

    #1

    Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

    Good day folks. I wrote about this in the past, but never actually got a clear answer. I don't blame anyone, since the problem is rather generic and I myself wasn't too sure what could be causing it in order to narrow it down for people to provide more specific help, so in the meantime I did some troubleshooting on my own which hopefully narrowed the issue down enough to get some tips on what I'm trying to accomplish.
    To recap: I got a CRT TV (that right there might also be enough to put people off) which has a buzzing sound on the internal speakers which reacts to the image being displayed. The noise appears as soon as the volume is raised to 1 and goes away when set to 0 or muted. It doesn't grow louder with the volume though, so at a normal listening level it's almost inaudible unless you know about it. That's what I wrote in my original post, so there's no way you'd be able to pinpoint what's wrong, since there are A LOT of things that can cause this.
    Now: I first tried changing the SAW filter. This was pointless because the buzz is present on the AV input also, so it's not the tuner that's causing it. I then checked to see if the noise is present on the line outputs at the back: it's not - connecting the audio outputs to an external amplifier produces clear sound, so this narrowed it down even further to the amplifier IC. I replaced a bunch of caps around it, but that didn't help either - the buzz is still there, so at this point I'm pretty sure it's the amp IC itself, which brings me to my actual question: it's a TDA1112....I COULD NOT find anything about this IC, let alone find a place to buy it locally, so taking a closer look at the schematic made me pretty confident that I'd be able to install any other audio amplifier. I've included a snippet of the schematic showing the area of interest: all there is is SIGNAL IN A, SIGNAL IN B, VCC, GND, OUT A, OUT B and MUTE....I'm sure we can find those pins on other ICs as well. There are two more pins which I don't what they do: CIV and RR, but I see those just have caps on them. So what would be a good and easy to find 10w or less audio amp to hack in there ? It would have to run on 20v single rail and have a MUTE pin...any thoughts ? Cheers.
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  • R_J
    Badcaps Legend
    • Jun 2012
    • 9535
    • Canada

    #2
    Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

    You could try connecting the audio from the ic's input to an external amp, I would connect a 1uf to either C824 or c826 + side and the other end to the input of an external amp just to see if the input to the tda1112 ic is clean or is the source of the buzz
    the rca outputs do come from a different part of the video jumgle ic

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    • budm
      Badcaps Legend
      • Feb 2010
      • 40746
      • USA

      #3
      Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

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      • Dannyx
        CertifiedAxhole
        • Aug 2016
        • 3912
        • Romania

        #4
        Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

        Originally posted by R_J
        You could try connecting the audio from the ic's input to an external amp, I would connect a 1uf to either C824 or c826 + side and the other end to the input of an external amp just to see if the input to the tda1112 ic is clean or is the source of the buzz
        the rca outputs do come from a different part of the video jumgle ic
        Yes, I was gonna do just that - try hooking up a pair of cheap amplified desktop speakers directly to the audio traces coming from the micro (after removing the amp IC of course), to see if the signal coming from the micro is OK. If not, something's screwed up inside the micro which is pretty much game over, since it's probably too expensive and outweighs what the TV is currently worth. Yes, the line inputs and outputs come from a separate line on the micro through a demuxer located further down the schematic, though we've already established those work fine.
        Wattevah...

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        • dick_barton
          Badcaps Legend
          • Aug 2015
          • 6642
          • Wales

          #5
          Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

          Just a thought but.....
          Is the 18V supply for the Audio amplifier derived from the line output transformer? If the hum is consistent with the amount of white on the screen then I wonder if the beam current is causing the problem and affecting the Audio Amp VCC supply. Are you able to scope VCC?
          Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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          • Dannyx
            CertifiedAxhole
            • Aug 2016
            • 3912
            • Romania

            #6
            Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

            Originally posted by dick_barton
            Just a thought but.....
            Is the 18V supply for the Audio amplifier derived from the line output transformer? If the hum is consistent with the amount of white on the screen then I wonder if the beam current is causing the problem and affecting the Audio Amp VCC supply. Are you able to scope VCC?
            No, the 18v come from a dedicated winding on the SMPS transformer and I've already replaced the caps there. Also, no, don't have a scope sadly :|
            Wattevah...

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            • dick_barton
              Badcaps Legend
              • Aug 2015
              • 6642
              • Wales

              #7
              Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

              Do you have an external 18V supply you could use as a test to see if the hum is still there when using a known clean supply?
              Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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              • Dannyx
                CertifiedAxhole
                • Aug 2016
                • 3912
                • Romania

                #8
                Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

                Originally posted by dick_barton
                Do you have an external 18V supply you could use as a test to see if the hum is still there when using a known clean supply?
                Yes, I'd probably be able to power it externally, though I doubt that's the issue to be fair.
                Wattevah...

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                • Dannyx
                  CertifiedAxhole
                  • Aug 2016
                  • 3912
                  • Romania

                  #9
                  Re: Replacement for TDA1112 audio IC for CRT TV

                  Made a little bit more progress on this repair: after replacing various caps, I believe I traced the problem somewhere in the switching power supply, since the various voltages, including the 18v rail which powers the audio IC alone, are generated by a stand-alone SMPS, NOT by the flyback. In the snippet of the schematic I posted, I marked the circuit which powers the 18v bus for the audio. I've replaced C555 and the noise has died down a little bit, but it still comes in and out at times, like a rolling wave....I've also replaced all the electrolytics in the 18v supply for the audio IC....could the diode itself be bad also ?
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