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  • engelwood39
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2015
    • 93
    • United States

    #1

    westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

    I have a westinghouse dwm50f3g1 that powers up and the back-light comes on but the picture never comes on. The screen just has a very dim dark glow.

    Does anyone know what testing should be done or what might be at fault?
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  • dick_barton
    Badcaps Legend
    • Aug 2015
    • 6642
    • Wales

    #2
    Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

    Have you checked with a bright light on the screen if there is a picture. Do you have sound?
    Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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    • Andrew F. Ali
      Badcaps Legend
      • Jan 2014
      • 2450
      • Trinidad & Tobago

      #3
      Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

      OK so the backlights are ON and you have no picture....Look at the T-CON Bd and locate the SMD fuse....( I can't see it in the pictures).....see if there is 12Vdc on both sides of the Fuse. If 12Vdc is present on both sides...disconnect one side of the flat white cable going to the Panel and see if there is picture....reconnect and remove the other side....report what you see....of course disconnecting and reconnecting of the cables are done with the power OFF.

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      • engelwood39
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2015
        • 93
        • United States

        #4
        Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

        No there is no picture with a flashlight. The back-light is lit up when the set is on.

        Andrew, I am attaching a pic of what I believe may be the fuse It is green whit a "F102" marking next to it. If it is I have 11.73V on each side of it. Unplugging the ribbon cables and trying it with just one side hooked up still had no picture(I tried it on both sides).

        Does the narrow it down to the just the T-Con Board? Or could it still possibly be the Main Board?

        If you need a better pic up close of the possible fuse let me know.
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        • engelwood39
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2015
          • 93
          • United States

          #5
          Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

          If I need to replace the T-Con Board it would be nice to know soon. I found one for pretty cheap and would like to buy soon if it

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          • CapLeaker
            Leaking Member
            • Dec 2014
            • 8146
            • Canada

            #6
            Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

            The only way to test the main board is to check the LVDS with an oscilloscope. Unless you have one to do so, the cheapest and next logical thing is to try the Tcon first.

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            • engelwood39
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2015
              • 93
              • United States

              #7
              Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

              Sounds good CapLeaker. It has now been purchased and I will update when the part comes in.

              If that doesn't work is the next logical step to replace the Main Board?

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #8
                Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                Westinghouse Element Seiki RCA 55.50T03.C05 / 55.50T03.C01 (T500HVN01.0, 50T03-C0A) T-Con Board
                http://www.shopjimmy.com/westinghous...-con-board.htm
                If you look real close at the board, you will see bare copper pad test points with label right next to them.
                For example, there are two test points that I can see close to IC U206.
                V3D3 = 3.3V
                V1D2 = 1.2V
                V????
                You need to look through a bunch of them, I can only see so much using pictures because they are so small.
                Attached Files
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • engelwood39
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 93
                  • United States

                  #9
                  Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                  Hey Budm,
                  Here are those voltages:

                  V3D3 = 3.226V
                  V1D2 = 1.209V
                  VGL c220R229 = -5.713V
                  C434 VOTP= 3.201V
                  WP0100=1.639
                  V12IN=0V

                  I am not sure what all you want me to to test? I don't see too many mor whith the (V#D#) format.
                  Last edited by engelwood39; 02-02-2017, 05:51 PM.

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                    Are you able to find Vgh?
                    BTW 'V12IN=0V" That cannot be right, that's V input 12VDC feeding the fuse F102. It has to be measurement error.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • engelwood39
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2015
                      • 93
                      • United States

                      #11
                      Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                      VGH= I can't find a Vgh. Does it for sure have that?
                      recheck on V12IN=11.28

                      also
                      VSS= -6.064
                      VCOM_A 0.477

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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 40746
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                        VGH, VGL, and many other Voltages are needed.
                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...hlight=vgh+vgl

                        https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...2a9b4bc15d.pdf
                        Attached Files
                        Last edited by budm; 02-02-2017, 08:06 PM.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • engelwood39
                          Senior Member
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 93
                          • United States

                          #13
                          Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                          Here is the board divided into 5 pictures under a magnifying glass.

                          They are sequential moving left to right on the board(inverted to read easier).

                          If you could let me know what values I need to get to you (and preferable what pic # they are in) that would be great. Thanks!
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                          • Stan62
                            New Member
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 1
                            • Canada

                            #14
                            Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                            Hello, I'm new here. Please tell me How do you post a 'new' thread?

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                            • budm
                              Badcaps Legend
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 40746
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                              I believe the IC U209 AUO-P301-16 is the one that produces the VGH, VGL Voltages similar to the TI chip. I need find the spec sheet for to verify, so far I cannot locate the VGH point, it should be in that area.

                              http://wenku.baidu.com/view/72d64d2f...950e73832.html
                              Last edited by budm; 02-02-2017, 11:29 PM.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                              Comment

                              • engelwood39
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2015
                                • 93
                                • United States

                                #16
                                Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                                Originally posted by Stan62
                                Hello, I'm new here. Please tell me How do you post a 'new' thread?
                                Go to the forum you want to post in and click on the Forum Tools drop down on top right. Then choose start new thread.

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                                • engelwood39
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Mar 2015
                                  • 93
                                  • United States

                                  #17
                                  Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                                  Originally posted by budm
                                  I believe the IC U209 AUO-P301-16 is the one that produces the VGH, VGL Voltages similar to the TI chip. I need find the spec sheet for to verify, so far I cannot locate the VGH point, it should be in that area.

                                  http://wenku.baidu.com/view/72d64d2f...950e73832.html
                                  Do you think it would be a good start to replace the T-Con board and see what happens since neither side of the screen works when I unplug a ribbon cable off of the T-Con board? Or if I replace both the T-con and Main board do you feel pretty good about it probably fixing the TV?

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                                  • budm
                                    Badcaps Legend
                                    • Feb 2010
                                    • 40746
                                    • USA

                                    #18
                                    Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                                    I would try new T-CON.
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

                                    Comment

                                    • engelwood39
                                      Senior Member
                                      • Mar 2015
                                      • 93
                                      • United States

                                      #19
                                      Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                                      It's ordered. I will get back to you.

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                                      • CapLeaker
                                        Leaking Member
                                        • Dec 2014
                                        • 8146
                                        • Canada

                                        #20
                                        Re: westinghouse dwm50f3g1 powers up with no picture

                                        Originally posted by engelwood39
                                        Sounds good CapLeaker. It has now been purchased and I will update when the part comes in.

                                        If that doesn't work is the next logical step to replace the Main Board?
                                        For me it would be the oscilloscope. Problem is having one, or knowing someone that has one... other than that, it is changing the main board, hoping it isn't a bad panel.

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