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  • Truncatedhose
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    • Oct 2014
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    LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

    Hello all! Just when I finally got done with my last tough job, another one pops up. I didn't want to have to come begging for help, but I caved in; this TV hates me.

    Symptom: No picture, sound okay.

    Found FS104 open on YSUS (located below the heatsinks near center of board), which is on the 18v line, so I replaced the YSUS and I had the same symptom. VS and VA were fine if I recall. I checked the fuse again and it was open. I had neglected to check it BEFORE putting in the board, so I didn't know if I had received a bad board. I ordered another and it came with a good fuse in it, but when I installed the board, still had same symptom. The fuse didn't blow, but I had unplugged the TV pretty quickly.

    So....I rechecked the VS and VA...it was correct. I took out the Z-SUS (I had already resoldered) the coils earlier and double checked my soldering (good) and tried to find bad fets; couldn't find any, but didn't check systematically because I really doubted I would have VS and VA if that was the case AND the fuses on the ZSUS were good. I redid the logic test pattern thing to see if that was the issue, but no go. Then, I thought I would check the fuse again on the YSUS (FS104) and found it had OPENED AGAIN. The I realized that the first YSUS I got likely had failed within a couple of minutes and so had this second board. Great.

    I pulled the buffers and tested them (wishing I had tested them before replacing the YSUS...I know, I know, I should have) and even after testing over and over again and very slowly and meticulously, I can't find any shorts.

    Then I clipped in another fuse (it's a 2amp pico) and tested to see what the voltage is doing; it stays at 18v, but when testing the voltage drawing through it, I found it to be rising within seconds to .5 volts, at which point it opens the fuse. I check most of the fets on the YSUS, but found none shorted; it's difficult with the thermal pad that is stuck on, covering the pins. I suppose I could test on the top side if someone thinks it's necessary.

    Then, I did various things with ANOTHER fuse clipped in to try to pinpoint the problem:

    Of course I left both buffers out and tried to see if the fuse would not blow or if it would not draw too much voltage (I know current is the operative here, but I was extrapolating from the DC voltage draw), but it still did.

    I tried disconnecting the logic from the YSUS, but that causes immediate shutdown.

    I tried disconnecting the power to the ZSUS, but that doesn't stop it, either.

    I don't know anymore. I'm at the point of replacing the buffers (even though can't find a short with them) and the logic and changing the YSUS a third time, but hope that someone can help.

    Thanks in advance!
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  • Truncatedhose
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    Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

    Also, if someone knows how/where to get a free service manual for this, that would be great!

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    • mmartell
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      #3
      Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

      Check the fpc cable to at the xsus to see if a 15 or 18v line is carried on it. Some times that voltage is generated on the ysus and transferred for use to the xsus as well.

      Point being you may have a short in that circuit on your xsus, or it may even be shorted on the control board but unlikely as it shouldn't be processed there in any way.

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      • Truncatedhose
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        Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

        Originally posted by mmartell
        Check the fpc cable to at the xsus to see if a 15 or 18v line is carried on it. Some times that voltage is generated on the ysus and transferred for use to the xsus as well.

        Point being you may have a short in that circuit on your xsus, or it may even be shorted on the control board but unlikely as it shouldn't be processed there in any way.
        Sorry, but can you re-explain? The only FPC cable on the Y-SUS goes to the logic board, right?

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        • mmartell
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          Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

          Yes. We are trying to find out if a low voltage line created on the ysus is routed THROUGH the control board tp the xsus. I've seen it in LG plasmas.

          Imagine there is a short in that circuit on the xsus, it could kill that line every time a good ysus is plugged in. Not saying that is what's happening here but it is possible.

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          • maxvalutech
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            Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

            That thermal pad nice and dry - not "oily"?

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            • Truncatedhose
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              Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

              Originally posted by maxvalutech
              That thermal pad nice and dry - not "oily"?
              Yes, it's dry.

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              • Truncatedhose
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                Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                Originally posted by mmartell
                Yes. We are trying to find out if a low voltage line created on the ysus is routed THROUGH the control board tp the xsus. I've seen it in LG plasmas.

                Imagine there is a short in that circuit on the xsus, it could kill that line every time a good ysus is plugged in. Not saying that is what's happening here but it is possible.
                Okay, so you want me to see if one of the pins for the FPC connector from the YSUS has 15v or 18v on it? Sorry, but can you elaborate? Thanks!

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                • mmartell
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                  Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                  I thought I elaborated in my previous post ?

                  The theory is simple. That 18v line may supply the xsus through the control board. If there is a fault on the xsus it will pop the fuse on the ysus every time until you fix the fault. Check the xsus for shorts at the fpc connector.

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                  • Truncatedhose
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                    Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                    Originally posted by mmartell
                    I thought I elaborated in my previous post ?

                    The theory is simple. That 18v line may supply the xsus through the control board. If there is a fault on the xsus it will pop the fuse on the ysus every time until you fix the fault. Check the xsus for shorts at the fpc connector.
                    Okay, I apologize for my lack of full understanding. When you say check for shorts at the FPC connector, can you explain what you mean? First, I need to identify a pin that carries the 18v, correct? Then see if that is shorted to...ground? Or...? Again, sorry, but I might need you to spell it out. I would assume that if there was a short to ground, then 18v wouldn't even come up, so maybe I will have to look and see if it is marked on the board?

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                    • mmartell
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                      Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                      Yes first check if 18v is carried on that cable then check if it's shorted on the xsus by continuity testing between the 18v line and any screw.

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                      • Truncatedhose
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                        Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                        Originally posted by mmartell
                        Yes first check if 18v is carried on that cable then check if it's shorted on the xsus by continuity testing between the 18v line and any screw.
                        Okay, I attached two closeups: one of the YSUS FPC plug and pin label and one of the XSUS (ZSUS) FPC plug and pin label. As you can see, the cable is twice the size coming out of the YSUS, then it goes into the logic board (where there is no label), then there is a cable half that size going from the logic to the XSUS (ZSUS). (You can see the pic of the logic board in my initial post).

                        The YSUS pin label doesn't show an 18v pin that I can see, do you concur? Unless they call it something else? However, the XSUS (ZSUS) pin label for it's FPC, shows two pins labeled 18v. When I measure those to a ground screw on that board, they measure about 125 ohms, so not shorted, but not as "OPEN" as I would think. What do you think? Thanks again for your help!
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                        • mmartell
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                          Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                          I would guess the 15v line from the ysus IS the 18v line at the xsus. And I would guess 125 ohms is too low but can't be sure. Scour ebay for a seller and ask him to measure his for you as you may be in need of one anyway.

                          See if you can't trace that line out a bit and check for any suspicious readings or visual clues as to what might be wrong.

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                          • Truncatedhose
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                            Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                            Originally posted by mmartell
                            I would guess the 15v line from the ysus IS the 18v line at the xsus. And I would guess 125 ohms is too low but can't be sure. Scour ebay for a seller and ask him to measure his for you as you may be in need of one anyway.

                            See if you can't trace that line out a bit and check for any suspicious readings or visual clues as to what might be wrong.
                            Yes, thank you. I did that last night and couldn't find anything suspicious or suspicious readings on the components in that line on the XSUS, but I agree, the 125ohms does seem too low. I think I am going to just order a whole board and replace the YSUS again and see what happens. I'm tempted to also replace the logic in case it has an issue, too.

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                            • Truncatedhose
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                              Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                              update:

                              So, the ZSUS was rebuilt by an ebay servicer who says he found problems with it and tested it now, but when I got it back and installed it, the TV still has no picture, but it doesn't seem to be blowing the fuse on the YSUS (although I haven't left in on for more than about 10 seconds.) The voltages are correct now, but the screen never primes or anything. The operational buzz noise is there, but sounds a little bit louder than typical) and the logic board has a flashing green led.

                              Based on the ebay servicers advice, I replaced the upper and lower Y buffers, but still have the same exact symptom.

                              Any help would be so greatly appreciated! This TV has the rebuilt ZSUS, another new YSUS and buffer boards and I don't want to give up on it with so much invested in it.

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                              • ReeceyBurger123
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                                #16
                                Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                                Still an issue, these use combined erc so Ysus can kill Zsus surprised no one brought that up. Have you tested your sustain voltages IE VSC, VY VZ etc first ?
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                                • Truncatedhose
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                                  Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                                  Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123
                                  Still an issue, these use combined erc so Ysus can kill Zsus surprised no one brought that up. Have you tested your sustain voltages IE VSC, VY VZ etc first ?
                                  Hi Reecey! Thanks for chiming in. The YSUS that's in it now is new (from one of my distributors that claims its new and not a reclaimed one) and I believe still good since it's not blowing a fuse now, like it was before the ZSUS was repaired by the ebay servicer. I will check those voltages and report; I assume they are on the main power plug on the YSUS?

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                                  • ReeceyBurger123
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                                    Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                                    Hi, also no the voltages are on test points on the sustainboard not on the plug.
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                                    • Truncatedhose
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                                      Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                                      Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123
                                      Hi, also no the voltages are on test points on the sustainboard not on the plug.
                                      Okay, so I found test points for VSC and VY on the YSUS:

                                      VSC: voltage jumps around when TV plugged in, from 80v to 40v, then settles at 61v.

                                      VY: same jumping around from 112v to 82v, then settling at 61v.

                                      This happens in a matter of just a few seconds.

                                      I don't see a VZ test point on the YSUS, but the ZSUS has a VZB test point which starts at 125v, then goes to 110v.

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                                      • ReeceyBurger123
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                                        Re: LG 60PV450-UA.AUSLLHR, repeat YSUS failure

                                        Remove the Ybuffer and retest.
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