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    Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

    Hey my first post and I'm already begging for help My name is Joel.

    Toshiba 46rv530u

    So I have had this tv for 8 years and it has had alot of use. By use I mean kids, grandmothers constantly leaving this thing on. So about 1 month ago I was watching tv and I noticed these 2 extremely narrow colored lines (literally the size of a hair) running all the way down the tv vertically on both sides equal distances from each side of the tv. It was the one and only time I had ever seen them and they never returned. Whether or not this is important information to the problem I have now I figured sharing it go be vital to the repair of this.

    So a month has past from this incident and I had the tv on, I went into the other room for a few minutes and left the tv running as I was going to return to it. I walk back out and just see a black screen. I assumed it was a new commercial I had never seen, thought nothing of it walked away only to return to it still being black.

    So here is the problem in short:
    1) No picture
    2) No backlight
    3) Working sound

    So not being a tv repairman I resorted to online information and absorbed all that I could to perform a few troubleshooting tests.

    Tests I did
    1) tried different inputs with same results
    2) opened up the tv looked for buldged/popped capacitors and then looked for burnt chips. nothing.
    2) checked main fuse. was good
    3) observed the backlight was not lighting
    4) did the flashlight test and could not see any images
    5) discovered a second fuse on the main power supply which is fried. it was so dark I had mistaken it as a resister pack the first time I examined the board, lol.

    red line points to its location



    So I discovered this burned fuse, it is a t2.5al250v which I am hesitant on replacing. Fuses typically burn out for a reason although with this one being on a power supply and it being a time delayed fuse I suppose the possibility of it reaching its end of a life in a mechanical failure kind of way is possible. I really don't want to start replacing parts randomly as this tv is 8 years old and isn't very efficient compared to the new tvs, plus it heats up the room like crazy! My best guess is that its a PS problem but could also be the inverter, again just guessing as my knowledge is pretty basic on tvs.

    I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this problem, otherwise I think I will just upgrade. Thanks for taking the time to read this and supply me with any help I receive.
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    Last edited by fg42pr; 08-03-2016, 06:06 PM. Reason: mistake on the model number

    #2
    Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

    Hi, I am an automotive tech, so me too not a TV specialist.

    But on my toshiba 40 inch found fuses f101 and f102 blown/open, invertor board.

    No backlight and no hope to fix it. Parts are simply not available.

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      #3
      Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

      Ignore. Replied to old post.
      Last edited by dick_barton; 08-06-2016, 02:21 PM.
      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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        #4
        Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

        There are many threads about this model that you may want to read through first.
        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/search...archid=6977372

        Service manuals:
        http://elektrotanya.com/?q=showresult
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          #5
          Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

          Fuses came in and I replaced the one that popped. Immediately after powering up the tv one of the fused resisters (rgdu5m-5e) located at r850 released a small plume of smoke and was very warm. Began testing output voltages and discovered 24v was not going to the inverter. At this point I am pretty sure that the power supply (PE0564A) is no good. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Could I be overlooking another problem that caused the psu to fail?

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            #6
            Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

            Originally posted by nickb2 View Post
            Hi, I am an automotive tech, so me too not a TV specialist.

            But on my toshiba 40 inch found fuses f101 and f102 blown/open, invertor board.

            No backlight and no hope to fix it. Parts are simply not available.

            I took another peek at the inverter board tonight and didn't see anything out of the ordinary although its the first one I have seen haha. were those actually found at f001 and f002? They kinda looked like fuses to me, had continuity from what I could see on mine and i'm assuming they are good.

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              #7
              Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

              So I am going to go ahead and order the psu board for this. I'll update with my outcome....

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                #8
                Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                UPDATE

                So the used power supply board came in, installed it and no picture or backlight. Oddly I cant get any sound now, maybe i'm just on the wrong input. I also forgot to mention the relay clicks whenever the tv s powered on on both boards.


                So in this picture I have done a few voltage tests and found the following.

                1) 24v inverter supplies p861 and p860 have 0v 1-5 when there should be 24v this cant be good

                2) p810a have power signal. everything else good accept for 1-2 are reading .3v not sure if this is a problem also 7 has 0v

                3) p811a everything seems fine there

                Anyone have any ideas on what could be wrong with this? is it possible the PS i bought is also bad? They claimed it to be working.
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                Last edited by fg42pr; 08-13-2016, 03:18 PM. Reason: change

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                  #9
                  Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                  Originally posted by budm View Post
                  There are many threads about this model that you may want to read through first.
                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/search...archid=6977372

                  Service manuals:
                  http://elektrotanya.com/?q=showresult
                  your first link is dead. Also read the other threads. I have the manuals downloaded already.
                  Last edited by fg42pr; 08-13-2016, 03:17 PM. Reason: 1 more thing

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                    #10
                    Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                    Have you followed the flow chart on page 9 of the 46rv530u sm.pdf
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                    Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                      #11
                      Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                      Yes I did read that and thats why I ended up ordering the used board the person claimed was working. From what I can see its bad like mine unless there is something else I am totally missing here.

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                        #12
                        Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                        I'm trying to understand the sequence of the tv starting up. the sub ps is always on and keeps power to the main board. Once power button is pushed on the tv signal line is powered activating the relay which should completely power up the main ps right? So once the main ps is powered is there another signal or something to turn on the backlight inverter or should it be powered all the time once the main ps is powered?

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                          #13
                          Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                          I'm fairly certain you should have voltage at AC _Detect. Just puzzled that if you have changed the power supply why it isn't working.
                          If you disconnect the main board from the power supply can you measure what voltage you have at AC_Detect when you power on.

                          Have you checked fuses F820 & F870
                          Last edited by dick_barton; 08-13-2016, 03:56 PM.
                          Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                            #14
                            Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                            Originally posted by dick_barton View Post
                            I'm fairly certain you should have voltage at AC _Detect. Just puzzled that if you have changed the power supply why it isn't working.
                            If you disconnect the main board from the power supply can you measure what voltage you have at AC_Detect when you power on.

                            Have you checked fuses F820 & F870
                            so i disconnected p810a connector and measured Ac det and got 0v
                            both fuses checked out good.

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                              #15
                              Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                              AC_should be high if the AC input Voltage is not below the operating range.
                              As you can see in the circuit provided by DB, when AC is high enough to light up the LED inside the OPTO Q813, this will then turn on the PHOTO Transistor inside the OPTO, which then will turn on Q8141 which will turn off Q8142 which will cause the Collector Voltage of Q8142 to go high toward 5V.
                              Bottom line, if you run the power supply board by itself, the AC-DET should be >3VDC, if not you need to check the Voltage in the primary side of the OPTO, the resistance of those 56K resistors, the DCV of the pin 1 & 2, pin 3 & 4 of the OPTO, the Voltages of those transistors on the cold side of the OPTO.
                              Your used power supply may be bad if you do not get any DCV on the AC_DET pin.
                              Last edited by budm; 08-13-2016, 05:38 PM.
                              Never stop learning
                              Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                              Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                              Inverter testing using old CFL:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                              Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                              http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                              TV Factory reset codes listing:
                              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                #16
                                Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                                So I quickly checked the voltages of pins 1,2 and 3,4 guessing as i dont know the propper way to check this part i just placed leads directly on pins.
                                1,2 .79v
                                3,4 .5 v

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                                  Place you multimeter set to DC volts across each side of resistor R8145 and note the reading. Repeat across resistor R8147. Both resistors are shown in the layout diagram.
                                  Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                                    Thanks I really appreciate the help guys!
                                    r8147 9.8mv
                                    r8145 .691v

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                                      Q8141 is switched off and Q8142 is swithched on which is why AC_Detect = 0V
                                      Can you measure the voltage across R8141 to see if the OPTO is being switched on.
                                      Willing to help but I'm no expert.

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Toshiba 46rv350u No backlight, No picture but has sound

                                        Originally posted by dick_barton View Post
                                        Q8141 is switched off and Q8142 is swithched on which is why AC_Detect = 0V
                                        Can you measure the voltage across R8141 to see if the OPTO is being switched on.
                                        Just checked that and I got a reading of 0v

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