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  • MEB
    Badcaps Veteran
    • Sep 2013
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    #1

    Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

    I got this 47" Seiki for nothing and thought I would give it a shot. It is LED backlight of which will be new to me. Tried to power it up and saw no signs of life.
    After opening, capacitors EC1 and ECL1A both being 10uf 400V were vented on the Power Supply board. The board was loaded with CapXons so I recapped entire board. After powering up now, I could make out "SEIKI" logo very faintly and shortly after power supply shuts down. I have found out a few things. I have 5V standby, I get PSon, +5, 12 and 24 volts after switching on and power supply appears to be operating normally for 10 or 15 seconds, then it shuts down. The logo kept getting fainter everytime I turn it on and now I can't see it anymore.
    I read some Seiki posts and I don't think the LEDs are the problem, but I don't know. If I measure LED1+ and LED2+ after turning on, I get around 54V for a couple seconds, then jumps up to 120+ VDC for another couple seconds at which time PS shuts down. I unplugged both strings from PS board and I get the same symptoms. That is why I don't believe the LEDs are the problem, but like I said, I am not familiar with their fuction. If there is some open circuit protection, then this would not be a valid test and I could understand the PS shutting down.
    I have tried unplugging power feeds to the main board but the 12V cable contains PSon, so can not see who is pulling the PS down. I really wanted to jumper 5V standby to PSon disconnecting everything from PS except the LEDs to see if the PS could light the backlights but I was afraid that might not be wise so here I am. I have enclosed a picture of the general layout and the front and back of the PS. I will remove the other boards and attach photos as needed.
    I appreciate any insight and thanks.
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  • budm
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    • Feb 2010
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    #2
    Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

    'If I measure LED1+ and LED2+ after turning on, I get around 54V for a couple seconds, then jumps up to 120+ VDC for another couple seconds at which time PS shuts down. I unplugged both strings from PS board and I get the same symptoms. That is why I don't believe the LEDs are the problem, but like I said, I am not familiar with their fuction. If there is some open circuit protection, then this would not be a valid test and I could understand the PS shutting down.' You have open circuit in the LED string, so the Voltage rise up to 120Vdc due to no load which is then the protection circuit kicks in.
    You are getting the same Voltage reading between the L+ and GND with or without the LED connectors in place, right?

    https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50998
    Last edited by budm; 12-15-2015, 10:06 PM.
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    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

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    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
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    • MEB
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      • Sep 2013
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      #3
      Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

      Thanks budm, was hoping you would chime in! Yes, I have the exact same results with or without the LEDs plugged in. So if I understand correctly, it is time to take the display apart? At your suggestion a long time ago, I built the "Bud Zapper" to check ccfl circuit. Do you have any words of wisdom to check LED strings? Or do you just replace all of them if available? This is the first for me.

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      • budm
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        • Feb 2010
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        #4
        Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

        Nothing for simulating the LEDs since not all the LED strips use the same amount of LEDs, and the only way to find out is to remove the panel to get to the LED strips. You can get Variable bench power supply that can do up to 60V or so with current limiter function for testing the LED strips.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • MEB
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          • Sep 2013
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          #5
          Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

          Thanks. I read that other thread you directed me to. If the strings are in series, than there is a chance one string is ok? Would you ever leave a working, but "old" string in there if you couldn't come up with all new? Or is that foolish under any circumstances? On my first LCD TV you helped me fix, i replaced only one ccfl. Are LEDs fairly unreliable or is the answer because it is such a pain to replace the backlights?

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
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            #6
            Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

            So far the LED backlights are not that reliable at all from what we see at Badcaps forum, they drive the LEDs so hard without proper heat management so they fail prematurely, you may be able to extend the life by turning down the Backlights level in the on screen user menu.
            You can replace just the bad strip but the other one may go out soon, but the bad part is that you will be getting used strips that were removed from broken screen so you will have no idea how long the replacement will last either.
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • MEB
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              • Sep 2013
              • 371
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              #7
              Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

              Thanks for your wisdom. Hope you are doing well!

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
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                #8
                Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                Look at how cheap they are trying to get, one LED strip (16 LEDs in one strip)! for 32 inch TV:
                https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50996
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
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                  #9
                  Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                  Look at how cheap they are trying to get, one LED strip (16 LEDs in one strip)! for 32 inch TV:
                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50996
                  And LEDs do burn out badly:
                  https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...7&d=1449452629
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • MEB
                    Badcaps Veteran
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 371
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                    #10
                    Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                    Wow, looks like it got a bit warm in there. I can't wait to see what the inside of mine looks like. Thanks again and I'll update tomorrow.

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                    • MEB
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                      • Sep 2013
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                      #11
                      Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                      Ok, that was a lot more difficult than I thought. This large of a screen is scary to handle. But I got here. The red circle shows actual Phillips flat head machine screws which attach the reflector material to the chassis. I've used 3 different precision screwdrivers and have about 6 I can't get out. I don't want to rip the plastic material, so I will drill out the remaining screws. I know I am not sane but I have to do things like that!
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                      • ReeceyBurger123
                        Never Give Up !
                        • May 2014
                        • 7325
                        • Britain

                        #12
                        Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                        Originally posted by budm
                        Look at how cheap they are trying to get, one LED strip (16 LEDs in one strip)! for 32 inch TV:
                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=50996
                        And LEDs do burn out badly:
                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...7&d=1449452629
                        Hey that aint as bad as 9 Led on one strip for a 32"
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                        • ReeceyBurger123
                          Never Give Up !
                          • May 2014
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                          #13
                          Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                          I already see a burnt/failed led from the photo too lol
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                          • budm
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                            • Feb 2010
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                            #14
                            Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                            Originally posted by MEB
                            Ok, that was a lot more difficult than I thought. This large of a screen is scary to handle. But I got here. The red circle shows actual Phillips flat head machine screws which attach the reflector material to the chassis. I've used 3 different precision screwdrivers and have about 6 I can't get out. I don't want to rip the plastic material, so I will drill out the remaining screws. I know I am not sane but I have to do things like that!
                            You can leave the LCD panel not in place and not connected so you can see if all the LEDs light up. We have seen lots of these type of failed LED strips.
                            Last edited by budm; 12-17-2015, 03:06 PM.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • MEB
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                              • Sep 2013
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                              #15
                              Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                              Ok, thanks, that is a good idea and I will do that.

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                              • budm
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                                • Feb 2010
                                • 40746
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                                #16
                                Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                                BTW, you should remove that white reflector sheet so you can see or the LED strings may be it has bad connection some where.
                                So it has 9 LEDs per strip, 6 strips total.
                                Last edited by budm; 12-17-2015, 04:28 PM.
                                Never stop learning
                                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                • freakaftr8
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                                  • Oct 2012
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                                  #17
                                  Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                                  Yes I just got done repairing a 75 inch Samsung with the back light strips set up like this I was able to heat up the LEDs and slide them off and heat up the strip as I affixed the new led to the strip seemed to work. Fingers crossed
                                  Did I leave the soldering iron on?

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                                  • budm
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                                    • Feb 2010
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                                    #18
                                    Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                                    MEGMEET MIP550D-TF
                                    BTW, can I get closed up pictures of this section?
                                    Attached Files
                                    Never stop learning
                                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                                    • MEB
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                                      • Sep 2013
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                                      #19
                                      Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                                      Here is the picture you asked for and a couple more. If it is not good enough, let me know and I will get better lighting. In the others, I got all those screws out, threads and all, by using a LH drill bit and a lot of luck. The reflector was still held in by those 4 little pedestal things of which I broke one but I finally got it out. Powering on gave me the results shown. I switched LED1+ and LED2+ at the board connectors, but the LEDs still lit up exactly the same so I think that is what I have. I will continue on with more investigating of the strips and connections but it looks like I have LEDs to locate. freakaftr8 - where did you find those "new leds" or did you just mean new to you?
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                                      • budm
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                                        #20
                                        Re: Seiki SE47FY19 - No backlights

                                        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...2&d=1450411186

                                        I am trying to figure what this picture is.
                                        Looking at the closed up picture of the LED drive circuit, so far it looks like there are two set of drivers, each driver drives 3 LED strips which are connected in series.
                                        So the six LED strips are not connected as one big long strip like I thought since 54 LEDs will need at least 162V (54 LEDs x 3V) drive Voltage.
                                        Last edited by budm; 12-18-2015, 10:03 AM.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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