SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

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  • Alastair E
    Chief Womble
    • Mar 2013
    • 1963
    • U.K.

    #1

    SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

    I have this Sharp 37" set. An Inverter transformer was clearly burned out, and I couldnt find a replacement online.

    The Sharp is unusual--as its Inverter runs from a 60 odd volts supply as opposed to the usual 24V.

    My only option was to buy a complete CCFL Inverter board for it--rather expensive, no cheapies around at the moment--but as I didn't know the condition of the set otherwise, I decided some cunning messing round was needed.

    First I removed the dead transformer, which had One Primary and Two Secondaries, each driving a separate tube.

    --It was clear that only one Secondary was faulty--burned. (12K resistance as opposed to 1.8K for good sec.)
    Using a knife and wire-cutters I removed that dead coil completely from the transformer.

    My first idea was to use the remaining secondary after re-fitting, to drive the secondary of another (24V, 37") transformer and use the other secondary on this additional to run the lamp.
    --This didnt work--Again 2 sec to black, not happy probably due to extra loading or leakage-inductance etc--Dunno. My guess is, loading although there shouldn't be much,--maybe 5% additional as doing this idea the transformers are acting 1:1 Perhaps some major imbalance due to the additional inductance of the add-on Tx was detected....
    --The primaries seem to be wired in two strings of four transformers, supplied from the 60 odd volts....

    So, I removed that and then for a larf, just cross connected the remaining good secondary to drive both CCFL tubes, attaching to the pads the dead secondary were originally, to the remaining--

    Bugger worked, and has done for several hours! A good dodge just to test out a set you know nothing about.....
    --Now I know with confidence a replacement complete inverter board will fix this one up properly and it'll all work nicely.

    Surprisingly the transformer doesn't appear to get hotter than any other on the board and it seems to be driving both tubes as there's no dark band on the picture on white-screen....
    Last edited by Alastair E; 03-16-2015, 05:15 AM.
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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #2
    Re: SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

    Interesting... see, I had thought and read that most CCFL drivers use constant-current sine waves to drive the bulbs so putting two in parallel must surely reduce the brightness? But maybe the difference is quite minor or something else is going on.
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    • Alastair E
      Chief Womble
      • Mar 2013
      • 1963
      • U.K.

      #3
      Re: SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

      I guess if you were to measure the actual brightness of all the tubes scientifically--instead of my 53 year old Mk I eye-balls through a diffuser and the LCD Panel--Then there would be a difference--Bound to be really!...

      Not visible in the actual real world example however!

      The set cant stay as modified--Who knows how long that single secondary will last supplying two tubes, so I'm ordering up a replacement Inverter....
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      • CapLeaker
        Leaking Member
        • Dec 2014
        • 8116
        • Canada

        #4
        Re: SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

        Interesting indeed!

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        • ben7
          Capaholic
          • Jan 2011
          • 4059
          • USA

          #5
          Re: SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

          Quite interesting! I too am surprised the transformer doesn't run hotter, but I guess the current is so low, that even with thin wire it won't get too hot from the copper losses.

          The other transformer likely didn't work because of incorrect inductance, or it saturated at this high of a voltage or frequency.

          Originally posted by tom66
          Interesting... see, I had thought and read that most CCFL drivers use constant-current sine waves to drive the bulbs so putting two in parallel must surely reduce the brightness? But maybe the difference is quite minor or something else is going on.
          Not as familiar with these as you are, but, where do they measure the current? If the measure the power on the input side, then I can see why the bulbs are the same brightness.

          The bulbs would balance out themselves, right? Because if one gets hotter than it will run at a higher voltage, which means it will take less current (unless using a constant current supply, or if you have more than one bulb in parallel). At least that is how the sodium lamps work, you see them blinking on and off when they are going bad because the ballast can't output enough voltage to run the lamp when it is hot, so it cycles on and off.
          Muh-soggy-knee

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: SHARP LC-37D65 CCFL Inverter dodge to test....

            Measure Voltage drop of the sampling resistor and then calculate the current.
            The 75K is for the lamp Z simulation. 4 sampling resistors if you want to test each lamp.
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