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  • ztu165
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 87
    • USA

    #1

    NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

    Hey guys, first of all I want to tell you how much I appreciate all of your expertise, and I know you guys are masters at what you do. With that being said, I just started fixing TV's as a hobby not too long ago. I started with just ordering whatever board a tv needed, but lately I have been wanting to fix them at a component level, and I have had success and luck with all of the TV's having bulging/leaking caps. This particular TV however has me pulling my hairs at times. The NS-LTDVD19 does not turn on at all, not even the small LED light in the front of the tv blinks, lights or anything. I took a picture of the PSU so you guys can see what I am talking about. I was looking for bulging/leaking caps, but they all look good in that aspect. I did not remove them from circuit, but I did check them with my DMM on diode mode and they all give me about the same value. I checked what is in the two red boxes, one is a B20H100G which I believe is called a schottky barrier rectifier, and the other one is a K2843 but I don't know what it might be. The only datasheets I can find state it is a N channel transistor but the legs are not the same. The Gate and Source legs on mine are bent forward while the Drain leg stays put in the back. The one they show on the datasheet has all three legs in the same position. Any way I checked both of these in diode mode and placing my black lead on the middle drain and the red on gate. then I placed my red lead on the source (third leg) and I get the same reading on both sides. What is boxed in blue on the picture is the fuse and I also checked that in diode mode and it checked out good. Where can I go from here and did I check the diodes or transistors correctly? Could it be the two big yellow X2 caps that say CARLI? Are these also tested like regular caps?
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  • tom66
    EVs Rule
    • Apr 2011
    • 32560
    • UK

    #2
    Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

    The transistor has the lead splaid out to give it high voltage clearance as when operating correctly, that transistor could see over 600V spikes.

    Diodes should be checked for single-way conduction. If they are conducting both ways remove and re-test.

    Also, I guess you have measured the PSU output and it is...? If it is good, you can rule out the PSU and check the main board.
    Please do not PM me with questions! Questions via PM will not be answered. Post on the forums instead!
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    • ztu165
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 87
      • USA

      #3
      Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

      Originally posted by tom66
      The transistor has the lead splaid out to give it high voltage clearance as when operating correctly, that transistor could see over 600V spikes.

      Diodes should be checked for single-way conduction. If they are conducting both ways remove and re-test.

      Also, I guess you have measured the PSU output and it is...? If it is good, you can rule out the PSU and check the main board.
      Tom66 thanks for taking your time to look at my problem, I have those diodes removed from the board and every time I check them I get a reading both ways. Before removing anything from the psu I plugged in the TV to the outlet and I put my DMM on VDC mode, i then placed my black lead to ground screw on frame and I placed my red lead on the 12V pin and I received a really low result. Usually I can hear a click or a small buzzing sound on other psu but this one gives absolutely nothing.

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      • budm
        Badcaps Legend
        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #4
        Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

        Can we see the back side of the board as a whole, and then take the closed up pictures in 1/4 section so we can see the traces on the board. When you are testing the 12v, do you have the output connector connected to the main board. Try just the power supply board by itself.
        The ticking sound can mean the power supply is in the loop so it is turning on and off due to overload or it can be due to bad start-up cap.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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        • ztu165
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 87
          • USA

          #5
          Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

          Originally posted by budm
          Can we see the back side of the board as a whole, and then take the closed up pictures in 1/4 section so we can see the traces on the board. When you are testing the 12v, do you have the output connector connected to the main board. Try just the power supply board by itself.
          The ticking sound can mean the power supply is in the loop so it is turning on and off due to overload or it can be due to bad start-up cap.
          I was misunderstood, I will try to sound more clear. This board does absolutely nothing, compared to other psu that I have fixed. For example other psu boards I can hear something click and a small buzz coming from transformer, but this psu does none of that, almost as if there was no power going thru it at all. I will post the pictures you need tomorrow as I am at work right now. But I please beg that you guys stay with me on this. I'm just a rookie and you guys are wise veterans.

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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

            OK then, do you get about 170vdc on that large AC filter cap on the primary side circuit?
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

            TV Factory reset codes listing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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            • ztu165
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 87
              • USA

              #7
              Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

              Originally posted by budm
              OK then, do you get about 170vdc on that large AC filter cap on the primary side circuit?
              I did not check the caps with the TV plugged in to power outlet, but I will do it tomorrow when I'm off work and I will see if I get that reading.

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              • budm
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 40746
                • USA

                #8
                Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                Just be careful since it is on the HOT side, just do not touch anything with your body.
                Never stop learning
                Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                Inverter testing using old CFL:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                TV Factory reset codes listing:
                http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                • ztu165
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 87
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                  Originally posted by budm
                  Just be careful since it is on the HOT side, just do not touch anything with your body.
                  Yeah I will be very carefull as this will be only the second time I check a component while plugged in.

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                  • budm
                    Badcaps Legend
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 40746
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                    Plug it into the GFI outlet will be even better.
                    Never stop learning
                    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                    Inverter testing using old CFL:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                    http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                    TV Factory reset codes listing:
                    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                    • ztu165
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 87
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                      Originally posted by budm
                      Plug it into the GFI outlet will be even better.
                      Hey, I'm back. I took pictures of the back side of PSU as you asked, I also tested the big cap you told me to test and it just kept jumping all over the place. I also checked the k2843 mosfet and it also was jumping all over the place until I managed to short it out which then the fuse burnt out so now I have to order the fuse, and I might as well order those two mosfets. Before the fuse blew out I had checked that 12V pin again and it would give me a really low reading. something like .100 something.
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                      • budm
                        Badcaps Legend
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 40746
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                        It sounds like the main DC filter cap is not good, or your meter is not good, the voltage should be real solid since we do not have any load except the switching of the MOSFET. I hope you did not damage the SMPS IC that drive the MOSFT, also check the resistor connected to the Source pin of the MOSFET for damage.
                        Last edited by budm; 01-16-2013, 09:27 PM.
                        Never stop learning
                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                        • ztu165
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 87
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                          Originally posted by budm
                          It sounds like the main DC filter cap is not good, or your meter is not good, the voltage should be real solid since we do not have any load except the switching of the MOSFET. I hope you did not damage the SMPS IC that drive the MOSFT, also check the resistor connected to the Source pin of the MOSFET for damage.
                          I checked my meter on a Vizio psu I'm fixing because i too was thinking that maybe my dmm was not working, but i receive the right voltages on the vizio psu so it's not my dmm.

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: NS-LTDVD19 Does not turn on...

                            Sorry, wrong post. Do you have at least cap meter to verify that cap?
                            Last edited by budm; 01-16-2013, 09:28 PM.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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