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    Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

    Hello all,

    My TV has failed, and I'm hoping that you good folks could offer some advice.

    Here's the skinny:
    The TV is a Polaroid FLM-3732 that I bought new 6 years ago or so. It never had any problem at all prior to this failure.

    The symptom: One evening after a couple hours of constant operation, it turned off. No standby LED at all. Disconnecting from AC power for 10 seconds or so, then reconnecting would get the standby LED back on, but pressing the power button would only result in a momentary change of the LED from red to blue, then it would go dark again.

    I opened it up on the bench, so that I could check power supply rail voltages, etc. The +5VSB (standby, I assume) is coming up on power up, and looks stable and clean. When the power button is pressed, the +24, +12, and +5.1 rails come up, and appear to be stable - but maybe slightly low. A moment later there is a faint tick, and all rails drop to 0, including +5VSB. This is repeatable by removing AC power for a few seconds.

    I also found three capacitors bulging. They were the two 1000uF/10v which are in parallel on the +5VSB circuit, and the 1000uF/35v which is on the 24v rail. I replaced them, and in the interest of eliminating any additional capacitor trouble, I also replaced all other electrolytics on the board with the exception of the two 100uF/450v bulk caps, which I tested with a capacitance meter, and both showed dead-on. The caps that I used for replacements are ones that we had in stock at work, so some are a bit higher voltage than the originals, but identical capacitance. I didn't think that could possibly hurt anything. The brands are United Chemicon LXY and KMG, and Illinois Capacitor CKHM.

    After recapping, I reinstalled the power supply, only to see the same symptom as before.

    Having read another thread here about a similar problem with an identical power supply, I tested all diodes with a good Fluke multimeter's diode check function. No problems here as far as I can tell. I also checked the junctions of all FETs. They look good, too. I can't see any markings on the smaller transistors on the back of the board, and thus I'm not sure which pin is which for testing.

    After checking all of this, mostly out of frustration I put the supply back into the TV again, and tried a few times to get it to power on. Surprisingly, after a few tries, it did! I was able to turn it on and off with the power button a few times until I let it set in the "off" state for a few minutes, then back to the original symptom. I also noticed that after this bit of foolery, the heat sink to which the main two switching FETs are attached became very hot to the touch, and a small amount of smoke was coming from the toroid inductor that is mounted under a different heat sink (the one that the bridge is attached to).

    I brought the power supply to work with me, where I have access to much better tools. I powered up the board with no load attached, and activated the other rails by applying a 3.2k Ohm resistor from +5VSB to STB. All rails came up, and looked nice and clean on the oscilloscope, but I didn't leave it on for very long, as I didn't want to overheat anything any more than necessary.

    This is where I stand now. If you've read this whole novel, I'd like to thank you. I know it's long, but there's no point in asking for help if I'm not going to give you all of the pertinent information, right? Please don't hesitate to let me know if I haven't been clear about something, of if I've left out important info.

    Any suggestions are most welcome!
    Pictures will follow shortly.

    Thanks,
    Troy

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    Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

    Here is a pic showing the specific components that I tried to describe above.
    Attached Files

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      Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

      Hey Troy

      I'm pretty new to this but one of the things I've read alot on here was the importance of matching your capacitors with the correct type. From what I understand, these power supplies require low esr / low impediance capacitors on the output side (possibly throughout) of the power supply.

      The Chemicon LXY is low impedance and recommended for power supply output but the KMG is just a general purpose cap.

      Here is a link to their capacitor group chart:


      The Illinoise CHKM cap is also a general purpose cap as well.
      https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...60e0cb0665.pdf

      From what I've read, the general purpose caps wont work as a replacement for a low esr / impediance cap.

      I'll be watching your thread to see what you come up with - working on a similar problem....

      Kevin

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        Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

        Hey Kevin,

        You know, the low ESR thing crossed my mind, but I was under the impression that a cap with too high of an ESR would only cause it to heat excessively, thus shortening its lifespan. I wouldn't have thought that it would cause the supply to malfunction immediately. However, I've been known to be wrong (more frequently than I'd like to admit). I'll see if I can get my hands on some better caps. Maybe it really is that simple. Thanks for the feedback!

        Troy

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          Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

          I've replaced all but one of the caps with United Chemicon LXY series. For the other one, we only had Illinois Capacitor RZS series in the correct size. The RZS series is low ESR, and intended for use in switching power supplies, per their website here.

          Unfortunately, the same symptom still exists.

          An engineer that I work with suggested that if a switching FET is heating up, it's likely because the gate voltage is too low, and it is operating in linear mode. With this in mind, I checked the Gate-to-Source voltage with a scope. One FET is getting pulses between 9 and 10 volts, while the other is only getting a little less than 3 volts. The datasheet for the switchers shows that they need over 7 volts to get out of linear range. Looks like I have a gate drive circuit to troubleshoot. Anybody have any experience with such things? It's probably a little over my head.

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            Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

            I have a polaroid 3732 model 3700 and i have no power no standby light nothing change the cap and everything but still nothing fuse are good aswell what else could it be keeping me from getting power to make the led come on

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              Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

              Originally posted by jazpa View Post
              I have a polaroid 3732 model 3700 and i have no power no standby light nothing change the cap and everything but still nothing fuse are good aswell what else could it be keeping me from getting power to make the led come on
              Changed THE cap or all the caps - including any small 50v22uf ones?
              What make series did you use?

              We can sometimes help a lot more if you please post good clear pictures (Well lit but no flash) of the whole chassis, and then pictures of each board, front and back (in the same orientation) and close up of connectors, (max resolution 2000x2000 and 2MB) using the manage attachments button, which is found by clicking "go advanced" under quick reply.

              Please do not post inline and offsite as they slow down the loading of pages.

              Examples of what is needed

              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...7&d=1280167246

              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...6&d=1280167246

              https://www.badcaps.net/forum/attach...4&d=1280167246
              Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
              http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                Re: Polaroid FLM-3732 Power On/Off

                You might want to start a new thread.

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