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    42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

    I'm a newbie, and I think I imposed on someone elses thread (afrelientk 42pfl7422d/37 help), sorry because I didn't know how to create a new thread, so now I will recap my problem here. I have a 42pfl7422d/37 no picture no sound. When I turn it on, the relay clicks, the blue power LED comes on but no picture or sound. After about 10 seconds the relay clicks again. Inside on the main board there are I think 2 blinking green LED's, one solid green, and looks like 2 that are not lit. When the relay clicks for the second time, all of the LED's go out. Then after about 20 seconds, the cycle starts over where the TV is trying to come back up, and just repeats, off, on, off, on. It is not the power supply, I replaced it, same problem. I normally don't like to shotgun troubleshoot, but I've been looking around on the internet for many hours and have not found a solution. The power supply only cost me $64. I just ordered the main board (SSB) for $59. For me, time is money, but if anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Thanks from a newbie.

    Reply from budm:

    @electrodog, did you look real close at the two inverter boards to see if they have any damaged IC, fuses and MOSFET's on the Inverter boards since these boards are know to have blown IC and MOSFET's.
    They will require modification if they are not done also.

    Reply from me:

    No, I have not gone that far removing the covers on the inverter boards, but can you tell me, will that cause the symptoms as I have described (no picture and no sound)? From what I have read so far, a bad inverter usually manisfests symptoms of no picture, but the audio is ok. Correct me if I am wrong, thanks.

    Reply from budm:

    If the inverter board shorted out, it will cause the 24V (for backlights) and 12v (for sound) power supply to shutdown, the 12V and 24V power supplies are generated by the same circuits. Best thing to do when you try to fix anything is to do visual inspection first. There is no 100% sure what have gone out since more than one circuit can also cause the same symptom.

    Reply from me:

    Yes, thankyou, I have done a visual inspection of the PS and main board looking for bad caps, burned components etc. As I mentioned, I haven't inspected the inverters, maybe while I'm waiting on my new main board, I'll check the inverter boards. Also, you provided me with an inverter modification II document. Should I assume this is something that needs to be done even if it is not the cause of my failure? What does the inverter mod fix? What is the failure mode that required this fix?

    I'm not so sure if it is the inverters, but can I disconnect the power to the inverters to see if the unit will power up? Will this damage the PS? If I do this, should I use a load? I will not do this before I have visually inspected the inverters.

    Sorry if this was very long. Thanks from a newbie.

    #2
    Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

    The modification supposed to fix the board from blowing up the PWM IC and MOSFET's as shown in the my pictures. This the second mod LG/Philips had come up with, the first nod supposed to fix the blowing up problem, but it did not, so they released the second mod, only time will tell if it does fix the problem or not.
    I do not remember if you disconnect the inverter board will allow the TV to work, since the main board may not get the feedback signal from the inverter board to tell the main board that it is working OK. You van leave the power to the inverter disconnect, the TV should turn on and it should have sound, but no backligts if the main board does not use any feedback signal from the inverter. It will be OK to run it without the inverter connected.
    Never stop learning
    Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

    Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

    Inverter testing using old CFL:
    http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

    Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
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      #3
      Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

      Bud, can you send me the inverter mod sheet or info please

      Jon

      Electronic surplus
      This Forum absolutely the best and, the most helpful forum I have ever found anywhere. thanks to all the fantastic members here
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        #4
        Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

        Hi Jon,
        I just sent you an E-MAIL @cox.net with the info.
        Never stop learning
        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

        Inverter testing using old CFL:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

        TV Factory reset codes listing:
        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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          #5
          Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

          OK, the TV power up problem is fixed by replacing the main (SSB) board, everything powers up and I get a display. The new problem, is trying to set up the new SSB board. According to the vendor of the new main board, I have to set it up by inputing the diversity code and option code with the remote as follows:


          Turn on the TV. Even if no picture is displayed, enter the correct Screen Diversity Code as follows. With the remote control, enter “062598 Menu” followed by the correct Screen Diversity code. The TV should turn off indicating that the code is accepted. Turn the TV on, confirm there is a display.

          This does not work.

          Enter the Service Alignment Mode (SAM) by pressing the following key sequence: “062596 Info”. Follow the on screen instruction to bypass the warning message.

          Well, it doesn't work. My TV comes up in Spanish and I can't get past this point. Does anyone know how to continue?

          At my work, the software engineers always blame the hardware engineers and vice versa.

          Dog

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            #6
            Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

            Your tv is a LCD right? I thought the diversity code was only for plasmas.

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              #7
              Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

              There is a diversity code and option code on a tag in my unit. I tried to input the codes following the instructions, and it won't work.

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                #8
                Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                Here is the instructions attached for updating the SSB Board from the vendor.
                Attached Files

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                  #9
                  Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                  oops,
                  forgot how to read

                  Have you tried to contact the seller. I'm sure he has this issue on a daily basis
                  Last edited by Mr Bill; 07-10-2012, 07:31 PM.

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                    #10
                    Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                    ok, I made atypo to you, believe me, I tried it several times, won't work.

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                      #11
                      Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                      ok, I tried it again just in case I made a typo, it keeps coming up in spanish. Sorry but I cannot read Spanish, It wants me to continue to setup the TV, I don't want to continue until I get past this point. Thanks appreciated from you or anyone that can get me back on the air!

                      Dog

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                        #12
                        Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                        so your getting a sceen now but the SAM is in spanish right. You could probably figure it out if its simple words like next, continue, finish. If you are unsure you could "google" the word and go that way. It could be worse, chineese for example.

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                          #13
                          Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                          there 4 different varations of your mode and to determine your getting the correct ssb using the 3 prefixes in your serial number will assure of correct ssb Example: YA1xxxxxx
                          i'm thinking since your having issues getting pass the Screen Diversity Code that you either have a bad SSB or the incorrect one installed
                          Ron Driver,BSEE,CET,ISCET,NESDA

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                            #14
                            Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                            OK everyone, thanks for all the usfull info, the set is now working, It wouldn't let me input the diversity code (last night) so I quit for the night. Today, same thing, so I went to the next step (see attached ssb setup from post #8) and went into service alignment mode (SAM) and it allowed me to change the option codes to match my set. After that, I was able to find in the setup where to change the language to English (it was set to Portuguese by the way). I don't know why the language menu was not available before I set the option codes, but I don't care, I don't have to barter TV time with my son now. Anyway I also hope I provided some usefull information from my ordeal.

                            Great forum, hope I don't have to come back too soon.

                            Dog

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                              #15
                              Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                              I forgot to say, before I close the set, I WILL do the inverter board mods recommended by BUBM. Also I now have a spare PS board which I will replace the cheap caps and keep as a spare or resell it. Also hopefully I can fix the ssb by replacing the cheap caps. I'm happy that I fixed the set for about $120.00.

                              S.Madden (Dog)

                              Electronic Tech since 1982

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                                #16
                                Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                                Reference the inverter mod II ,COMPONENT KIT (996500095005) can anyone give me specifics for the surface mount components? I need to know the size (i.e. size 0804,0603, etc) and wattage ratings of the resistors and zener diodes. Part numbers for the zeners would be great, I can get the caps, resistors no problem.

                                Thanks

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                                  #17
                                  Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                                  I would be very greatful for some information on this as well, I have looked around but have not been able to find any sizes for the SM caps or resistors.
                                  Also no power rating or size for the zener diode.
                                  The best I have found is here: https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showth...t=12954&page=2

                                  Thanks PlainBill

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                                    #18
                                    Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                                    After measuring pads (with analog calipers) on the boards I have discovered some things and am getting the following parts:

                                    Zener Diode: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DKSea...83058626288884

                                    The footprint for this zener diode has about 0.085" between the two pads so this should work as the body is 0.09" long.

                                    Caps: http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...-1-MIL/3461858

                                    The size of the cap above the mounting spot for this one is 0.085"x0.05" or a 0805 footprint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology)
                                    So I decided to go with these, they are kind of expensive but the time required to do this modification is much more costly than the components so I would prefer to only have to do this once!

                                    Resistors: http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DKSea...83073985687016

                                    The width of the traces that these resistors goes on is about 0.07". So anything with a width less than that will be fine. I would again go with an 0805 (0.079 x 0.049 in) depending on your soldering skills an 0603 might be better because there is less of a chance of shorting to the ground plane. I decided to use an 0603.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                                      Thanks Ski Messiah, I ordered some 33v 1 watt leaded zeners from parts express for 39 cents each. I am concerned about the wattage rating for the resistors as the 4.7 ohms to me seems to indicate a current limiting resistor, but I am going to try size 0805 (thanks for the size measurements) and I will use your recommendation of size 0805 for the caps also.

                                      Also I have ordered most of the electrolytic caps to replace the bad caps (Lelon) on my PS and SSB board but one cap that I need, badcaps.net does not have, it's 68uF\450V. size is about 25mm tall x 30 mm height. Does anyone have a source for a good (Rubycon) cap?

                                      Thanks,

                                      Dog

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                                        #20
                                        Re: 42pfl7422d/37 won't power up

                                        I use thorugh hole caps (Ceramic disc, they are very samll since the value is so small) and 33V 5W Zener Diodes (this is used to clamp the 24vDC to 33V max), 1/4w through hole for the 10 Ohms resistors.
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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