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  • Kiwi Mike
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    • Feb 2023
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    Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

    Hi folks,

    I have a Samsung plasma tv PL51F4500. It works fine, image is good, but it shocks me a little when i touch it or touch a connect hdmi cable. So my concern is mostly for anything i connect to it, my notebook etc. Interestingly, i had stopped using it and went to turn it on yesterday and it basically doesn't 'shock' me anymore. The observation here is that its a lot better than when it was in regular use. It was pretty salty!

    This model has an integrated sustain board with the main power supply. I repaired it about 2 years ago (mosfets) but i may have missed a further issue since the tv worked fine.

    I have no doubt the problem is isolated to the main power/sustain board. I isolated it and the problem persisted. I can measure a voltage between my hand and tv gnd to observe this, and the tv will 'shock' even in standby, but it will stop the moment i unplug the lead. So surely this means the problem lies in the line filter? and since the problem has improved after the tv was left off for a month indicates a bad cap right? But i haven't found anything yet.

    Va and Vs are both within 2 volts of specified 58v and 205v.
    All the various outputs to the main board are all spot on, 5.3v, 15v and so on.

    But the SVT_VS is 550volts! and the SVT_XOUT is 'out of range'!?! With the scale of 1000v DC selected, the multimeter goes to 1. I'm assuming that this isn't right. Searching around i found that a similar model had a XOUT of 71 volts. So this would indicate a problem with rectification right?

    Nothing on the board is visually damaged. I even scanned the board with my laser temp gun, there was one mosfet hotter than the others which i removed and tested fine. I've gone over all the mosfets on the sustain side of the board, no issues. I removed a couple caps for testing.

    I was lacking direction but just writing this question has help. I guess i'll go back to the start.

    Any got any ideas?!

    Cheers,

    Mike
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  • Biruslapio
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    • Nov 2013
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    Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

    You should never isolate any plasma sustain boards + power supply from grounding, this is a problem with grounding, bad cable/outlet/power grid connection, most probably the latter two.

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    • Kiwi Mike
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      Originally posted by Biruslapio
      You should never isolate any plasma sustain boards + power supply from grounding, this is a problem with grounding, bad cable/outlet/power grid connection, most probably the latter two.
      Thanks mate. I'll go over the grounding.

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      • Kiwi Mike
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        So i went over the grounds. Theres a bad habit down here to clip the earth pin on our plugs, simply because the vast majority of houses more than 20 years old don't have wiring for earth.

        So i reinstated the earth pins. Checked the plug on the powerboard. All fine, all well screwed down etc. I even checked the earthing of the house.

        No difference. If i touch the tv i still get a little zap. Isn't it strange that even with an earth it'll still zap me? I'd offer a lot more resistance than the earth does!

        So, a bad cap or transistor is leaking to ground, correct?

        Cheers,
        Mike

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        • Kiwi Mike
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          Just to complete my post above. For years the tv didnt zap me. So to me something has changed on the power board.

          And even though the tv works fine, my concern is the fancy new tv stick that i just bought to plug into it! Surely, if the tv stick is receiving some sort of voltage on ground, that can't be good for it???

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          • Devil_rider
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            • Jan 2023
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            Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

            Did you replace your carpet recently and like to walk around in your socks? Maybe you get charged with static electricity and when you touch TV , which according to you is grounded well, you get zapped.....

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            • petehall347
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              if its static it will be one sharp zap then it shouldn't do it again until you charge your body up again .

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              • nomoresonys
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                Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

                inexpensive testers for seeing if outlets are wired correctly, for anyone looking on that may need one, I have a couple, very handy tool: https://www.menards.com/main/search....utlet%20tester
                Last edited by nomoresonys; 02-21-2023, 08:41 AM.

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                • Kiwi Mike
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                  Originally posted by Devil_rider
                  Did you replace your carpet recently and like to walk around in your socks? Maybe you get charged with static electricity and when you touch TV , which according to you is grounded well, you get zapped.....
                  Nope.

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                  • Kiwi Mike
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                    Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

                    Originally posted by petehall347
                    if its static it will be one sharp zap then it shouldn't do it again until you charge your body up again .
                    Yeah, it'll zap me with every heart beat. Literally.

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                    • Kiwi Mike
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                      Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

                      Originally posted by nomoresonys
                      inexpensive testers for seeing if outlets are wired correctly, for anyone looking on that may need one, I have a couple, very handy tool: https://www.menards.com/main/search....utlet%20tester
                      Well maybe i should get the ground in the socket verified. Who knows, maybe the electrician didn't do his job when wiring up the house or something has happened afterwards. We did loose a couple of led lights in a lightening strike a few months ago...

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                      • Th3_uN1Qu3
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                        Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

                        LED lights have nothing to do with ground. But do get it checked. Also, do you have coaxial cable input to the plasma along with HDMI? Then you should ground the coax too.
                        Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                        Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                        A working TV? How boring!

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                        • RJARRRPCGP
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                          Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

                          Originally posted by Kiwi Mike
                          Well maybe i should get the ground in the socket verified. Who knows, maybe the electrician didn't do his job when wiring up the house or something has happened afterwards. We did loose a couple of led lights in a lightening strike a few months ago...
                          Reminds me of what happened in the last victorian that I lived in, when I was in Bellows Falls, Vermont. I think a T-storm killed the wifi on a Lifx wifi-controlled LED lamp that I was testing. Suddenly, it wasn't found anymore by the app, but it still powered on at the default Kelvin rating. (likely 2017 when that happened)
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                          • RJARRRPCGP
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                            Re: Samsung plasma PL51F4500 shocking!

                            Originally posted by Kiwi Mike
                            Yeah, it'll zap me with every heart beat. Literally.
                            Reminds me of a little thing that happened in 1994 or 1993, most likely, when I was invited to a property in northern Vermont, when under some trees. There was an electric fence, because of the farm animals. Right where a lot of people wouldn't expect an electric fence, LOL!

                            I suddenly felt like I was getting shocked at or around the time of each heart beat! I was like, "What was that!".

                            It possibly was at a rate of 1 Hz, for the electric fence pulse generator.
                            Last edited by RJARRRPCGP; 02-21-2023, 11:44 PM.
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