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  • Olles4
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2022
    • 63
    • Slovakia

    #21
    Is it better to put higher or lower value resistor on R209 and R207 ? I mean which way is safer.

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    • CapLeaker
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      • Dec 2014
      • 8090
      • Canada

      #22
      That's the problem. Them 2 resistors I am not so sure of what there was in there, I went after the carnage trying to identify what was there first place. Some were really easy to identify, others not so. The thing here is to go through example circuits that are similar to yours and see what they used. Pull up some datasheets from the PWM from different manufacturers and compare. Sometime you know the resistor code started with a 1 and ended in a zero for example. So far R207 and R209 I haven't come up with anything too good uet.

      R207 ended with xx01. So a 1001 = 1k ohm. Sounds plausible and should work.
      R209 got not a clue. Cording to your schematic, it is a gate drive resistor to a different MOSFET. Knowing that it should be something less than 100 Ohm. Don’t forget there are already 22Ohms in line.
      Last edited by CapLeaker; 05-21-2024, 08:27 PM.

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      • CapLeaker
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        • Dec 2014
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        #23
        Oyyy, made a mistake yesterday, R209 goes to the Source, not to the gate. It’s a current sense resistor. So 1 v is the max here. As soon as the CS pin goes above 1V there is current limiting / cut off. Thinking about this, the resistance must be quite high. Higher than 1k Ohms. More like something 10k or 100k Ohms. Can you check the capacitance of C204?

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        • Olles4
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          • Apr 2022
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          #24
          Originally posted by CapLeaker
          Oyyy, made a mistake yesterday, R209 goes to the Source, not to the gate. It's a current sense resistor. So 1 v is the max here. As soon as the CS pin goes above 1V there is current limiting / cut off. Thinking about this, the resistance must be quite high. Higher than 1k Ohms. More like something 10k or 100k Ohms. Can you check the capacitance of C204?

          Update:

          Here is some photos of the main board. Im trying to remove the big heatsinks right now to see what is under them.

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          • Olles4
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            • Apr 2022
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            #25
            Heatsinks and fans out here are some more photos.

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            • CapLeaker
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              #26
              What a pain that is! Looks like it has some bad solder joints too.

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              • Olles4
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                • Apr 2022
                • 63
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                #27
                Originally posted by CapLeaker
                What a pain that is! Looks like it has some bad solder joints too.
                Which one?

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                • sam_sam_sam
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 6033
                  • USA

                  #28
                  Originally posted by CapLeaker
                  What a pain that is! Looks like it has some bad solder joints too.
                  Some soldering joints do not look so good especially the lager pin components if it were me doing this I would re-solder those joints for good measure

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                  • CapLeaker
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                    • Dec 2014
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                    #29
                    The biggest problem with an inverter welder is not continuity like voltage, it's more current based like. The circuit has to be able to carry the current. I do remember a case not too long ago, where one of the problems was burnt track on the PCB that made continuity but couldn't carry any load.

                    So what was your “incident”? I don't see anything blown up (yet)?

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                    • Olles4
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                      • Apr 2022
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by CapLeaker
                      The biggest problem with an inverter welder is not continuity like voltage, it's more current based like. The circuit has to be able to carry the current. I do remember a case not too long ago, where one of the problems was burnt track on the PCB that made continuity but couldn't carry any load.

                      So what was your “incident”? I don't see anything blown up (yet)?
                      Nothing blown up just one of the heatsink was under voltage so it shocked me.. but it’s connected to diode which’s base is connected to the line.

                      I understand that but the problem is it didn’t even turns on.

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                      • CapLeaker
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                        • Dec 2014
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                        #31
                        Show me what heatsink and what diode. The welder may not turn on if the low voltage supply isn’t working.

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                        • Olles4
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                          • Apr 2022
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                          #32
                          Originally posted by CapLeaker
                          Show me what heatsink and what diode. The welder may not turn on if the low voltage supply isn’t working.
                          Heatsink connected to this row of components.
                          4x STTH12R06D
                          2x 1H18AF

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                          • Olles4
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2022
                            • 63
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                            #33
                            So this is the front lcd panel with potentiometers and welding style adjustments with a small pcb it’s connected with 2 cables to the main board

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                            • Olles4
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                              • Apr 2022
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                              #34
                              These are the 2 connectors. So I assume the small board next to it what we were fixing it’s part of the supply.

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                              • CapLeaker
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                                #35
                                Originally posted by Olles4

                                Heatsink connected to this row of components.
                                4x STTH12R06D
                                2x 1H18AF
                                The 2 IGBT’s are FGH60N60’s. If they are blown, there is plenty to be had.

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                                • CapLeaker
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                                  • Dec 2014
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                                  #36
                                  Originally posted by Olles4
                                  So this is the front lcd panel with potentiometers and welding style adjustments with a small pcb it's connected with 2 cables to the main board
                                  I was pretty sure that front LCD panel works of that board, but I guess not. Or does it loop just through that main board, but the power comes from the little board?
                                  Last edited by CapLeaker; 06-01-2024, 03:51 PM.

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                                  • Olles4
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                                    • Apr 2022
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                                    #37
                                    These two are bridge rectifier’s am I right ?

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                                    • CapLeaker
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                                      #38
                                      yes

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                                      • Olles4
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                                        • Apr 2022
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                                        #39
                                        Originally posted by CapLeaker
                                        yes
                                        Hello. I have done some measurings. So on the small board the IC UC3843 pin6 (output to gate) is only 0,7mV and it seems like it didn't want to drive the mosfet
                                        How much Volts should i get on mosfet Drain and Source ?
                                        here is a link to ic UC3843BN datasheet(1/15 Pages) STMICROELECTRONICS | HIGH PERFORMANCE CURRENT MODE PWM CONTROLLER (alldatasheet.com)

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                                        • Olles4
                                          Senior Member
                                          • Apr 2022
                                          • 63
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                                          #40
                                          Originally posted by CapLeaker
                                          Oyyy, made a mistake yesterday, R209 goes to the Source, not to the gate. It’s a current sense resistor. So 1 v is the max here. As soon as the CS pin goes above 1V there is current limiting / cut off. Thinking about this, the resistance must be quite high. Higher than 1k Ohms. More like something 10k or 100k Ohms. Can you check the capacitance of C204?
                                          c209 is jumpy but its something around 17 nanoF

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