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  • PCBONEZ
    Grumpy Old Fart
    • Aug 2005
    • 10661
    • USA

    #21
    Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

    Originally posted by goodpsusearch
    Why not?



    2200uf x 10v - TMR series - 10/25mm - 1220 mA - .039 ohms
    --> FC 10V 2200uF 10x30 1815 mA 0.035ohms

    2200uf x 16v - TMR series - 10/30mm - 1450 mA - .030 ohms
    -->16V2200uF 12.5x25 1945mA 0.030 ohms

    The only concern is whether they fit.
    You're right.
    Been a long while since I was 'unlucky' [ahem] enough to buy anything with TM in it to start with so I forgot just how shitty their specs actually are.
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    • PCBONEZ
      Grumpy Old Fart
      • Aug 2005
      • 10661
      • USA

      #22
      Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

      Originally posted by unmei220
      PCBONEZ: Thank you very much for the data. Then it seems I'm back to square one ? Please, what capacitors do you suggest I should use then ? Can I use the panasonic ones to replace the non-low esr ones then ? It's difficult here to see good capacitors (see, I used 2 JACKCON's in this PSU), so I'm probably (I must) have to order them from ebay or from badcaps store.
      I did a whole bunch of Antec Smart and True powers a few years ago.
      Antec was 'Fuhjyyu happy' in those models.
      .
      When it HAD to be a 10mm my preference was to use SamXon RS 10v or 16v 3300uF for all the Fuhjyyu 3300uF & 4700uF final OP caps. Also would sometimes use 3300uF RS for the 2200uF if it was a single cap OP filter. [I might have used FK for the 2200uF but they weren't available in the US then. Still aren't easy to find..]
      -
      TM is FAR below what should have been used there.
      I think the people that order parts for the manufacturers of cheap PSUs think TM and TN are the same but they aren't even close.
      [Poor QA. - Engineers should check what the 'ordering people' order.]
      If you use TM specs as the minimum specs to replace the TN you will be okay.
      I think something like TM grade was the intention of the design Engineers before the bean counters cheaped it down by ordering TN.
      [Yeah, that speculation but TN is even sub-standard compared to ultra crappy PSUs that don't happen to use Fuhjyyu.]
      .
      If you can fit 12.5mm caps then you have a lot more options.
      .
      Chemicon KY is easy to find and not too uncommon in better PSU brands. KY is between FK and FC for specs.
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      • unmei220
        Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 41

        #23
        Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

        Pardon my ignorance, but is it normal for the PSU to make noises while it's operating ?
        This PSU makes noise while it operates, I'm not talking about fan noises, or high pitched sounds... it sounds like... a clock ticking very fast. It changes the speed depending on how much load the PSU has (for example, it's different when the PC is idling, but changes when it's at full load). Hope that made sense. Would a recording of the sound be useful ?
        Last edited by unmei220; 04-27-2011, 07:49 PM.

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        • PCBONEZ
          Grumpy Old Fart
          • Aug 2005
          • 10661
          • USA

          #24
          Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

          EA-500D Green has 22 amps on each +12v rail.

          ~~~~~~~~

          Radeon HD 4850 TDP is 114 watts and if we assume a mediocre regulator efficiency of 75% that's 152 watts at the PSU.
          If it all pulls off +12v that's 12.7 amps.

          HHD's are roughly 1 amp /@ on +12v and a burner up to about 2 amps so that's another +5 amps.

          Lets say maybe 3 amps for CPU+System fans...

          .... So you're up to around 20.7 amps on the non-CPU +12v rail.

          If you are sporting a RAID card that could be tapping a few more amps and I've seen some newer mobos that power RAM [except in standby] from +12v with a VRM dedicated to RAM.

          If you have all of that on one rail you just might be over the 22 amps, especially while drives are spinning up.

          ~~~~~~~~~

          TDP on a i5-750 is 95 watts so [w/VRM effiecency] it's probably about 127 watts [10.6 amps]

          ~~~~~~~~~

          Try the system with no hard drives connected.
          If PSU stays on, then do some rewiring and move the HDDs to the other rail.
          [Either that or get a more conservative video card....]
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          Mann-Made Global Warming.
          - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

          -
          Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

          - Dr Seuss
          -
          You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
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          • PCBONEZ
            Grumpy Old Fart
            • Aug 2005
            • 10661
            • USA

            #25
            Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

            Originally posted by unmei220
            Pardon my ignorance, but is it normal for the PSU to make noises while it's operating ?
            This PSU makes noise while it operates, I'm not talking about fan noises, or high pitched sounds... it sounds like... a clock ticking very fast. It changes the speed depending on how much load the PSU has (for example, it's different when the PC is idling, but changes when it's at full load). Hope that made sense. Would a recording of the sound be useful ?
            No that's not normal.
            On the few occasions I've had one do that I just tossed it so I have no idea what the cause is.
            - Some of the PSU gurus here probably have a few ideas though.
            .
            Mann-Made Global Warming.
            - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

            -
            Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

            - Dr Seuss
            -
            You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
            -

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            • Scenic
              o.O
              • Sep 2007
              • 2642
              • Germany

              #26
              Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

              Originally posted by PCBONEZ
              EA-500D Green has 22 amps on each +12v rail.

              ~~~~~~~~

              Radeon HD 4850 TDP is 114 watts and if we assume a mediocre regulator efficiency of 75% that's 152 watts at the PSU.
              If it all pulls off +12v that's 12.7 amps.

              HHD's are roughly 1 amp /@ on +12v and a burner up to about 2 amps so that's another +5 amps.

              Lets say maybe 3 amps for CPU+System fans...

              .... So you're up to around 20.7 amps on the non-CPU +12v rail.

              If you are sporting a RAID card that could be tapping a few more amps and I've seen some newer mobos that power RAM [except in standby] from +12v with a VRM dedicated to RAM.

              If you have all of that on one rail you just might be over the 22 amps, especially while drives are spinning up.

              ~~~~~~~~~

              TDP on a i5-750 is 95 watts so [w/VRM effiecency] it's probably about 127 watts [10.6 amps]

              ~~~~~~~~~

              Try the system with no hard drives connected.
              If PSU stays on, then do some rewiring and move the HDDs to the other rail.
              [Either that or get a more conservative video card....]
              .
              wrong thread..?!

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              • PCBONEZ
                Grumpy Old Fart
                • Aug 2005
                • 10661
                • USA

                #27
                Re: Advice regarding Tagan TG380-U01 recap

                I was wondering where this went,,, yes,,, wrong thread..
                Mann-Made Global Warming.
                - We should be more concerned about the Intellectual Climate.

                -
                Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.

                - Dr Seuss
                -
                You can teach a man to fish and feed him for life, but if he can't handle sushi you must also teach him to cook.
                -

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