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  • mikail13
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 93
    • Turkiye

    #1

    CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

    my Philips 190X LCD sometimes do not work.

    5 caps blown.
    2x 220uF 25v
    3x 470uF 25v Capxon.

    could i use 470uF 16v and 270uF 16v Solid caps.
    Last edited by mikail13; 08-08-2016, 04:48 AM.
  • ReeceyBurger123
    Never Give Up !
    • May 2014
    • 7325
    • Britain

    #2
    Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

    No always use the same voltage caps.
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    • mikail13
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2013
      • 93
      • Turkiye

      #3
      Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

      Originally posted by ReeceyBurger123
      No always use the same voltage caps.
      but mobo manufacturer uses lower solid caps on VRM.

      we can use 560 uF 2.5v solid caps instead of 680uf 4v liqid caps.

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      • stj
        Great Sage 齊天大聖
        • Dec 2009
        • 30962
        • Albion

        #4
        Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

        only necause they dont make 2.5v liquid caps

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        • ReeceyBurger123
          Never Give Up !
          • May 2014
          • 7325
          • Britain

          #5
          Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

          Unless you know the voltage of the circuit use whats there or if you have one thats above rated voltage of the board use it.
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          • budm
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 40746
            • USA

            #6
            Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

            190X??? 5?, 6?, 7?



            http://elektrotanya.com/philips_190x5.rar/download.html
            Never stop learning
            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

            Inverter testing using old CFL:
            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

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            • stj
              Great Sage 齊天大聖
              • Dec 2009
              • 30962
              • Albion

              #7
              Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

              220uf 25v polymer
              https://cdn.badcaps-static.com/pdfs/...5fa978066b.pdf

              it's going to be cheaper to use pansonic FR series.

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              • mikail13
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2013
                • 93
                • Turkiye

                #8
                Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

                it's philips 190X7FB.

                i used
                one 470uF 16v solid.
                one 270uF 16v solid.
                other's 470 uF 16v nichicon 105 C , and 220uF 25V .

                your links dead.


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                • budm
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 40746
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

                  Originally posted by mikail13
                  it's philips 190X7FB.

                  i used
                  one 470uF 16v solid.
                  one 270uF 16v solid.
                  other's 470 uF 16v nichicon 105 C , and 220uF 25V .

                  your links dead.
                  I have no problem with the links in post #6, the file is too big to be upload to B.C.
                  Last edited by budm; 08-09-2016, 08:53 AM.
                  Never stop learning
                  Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                  Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                  Inverter testing using old CFL:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                  Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                  http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                  TV Factory reset codes listing:
                  http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                  • Th3_uN1Qu3
                    Believe in
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 6031
                    • Romania

                    #10
                    Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

                    In essence there is no problem with 16v caps there, as small computer monitors use 12v for the inverter. However, only the 5v rail for the logic is regulated in these supplies, and with no load (in standby) the 12v will get up to 14v, sometimes a bit higher.

                    Polymer caps are less tolerant to overvoltage than regular lytics. And their typical failure mode is short, so if your monitor suddenly stops working, you'll know why.
                    Originally posted by PeteS in CA
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                    • mikail13
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 93
                      • Turkiye

                      #11
                      Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

                      monitor is OK now.

                      but top panel line is hot (app. 40-45 C) than low line.

                      i think top CCFL is overheating.


                      why?

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                      • stj
                        Great Sage 齊天大聖
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 30962
                        • Albion

                        #12
                        Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

                        if you want to strip it out, you could resolder the pins.

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                        • mariushm
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • May 2011
                          • 3799

                          #13
                          Re: CHANGE with LOWER Voltage Solid Caps

                          Don't use capacitors rated for lower voltages on monitor power supplies, especially for the part of the power supply designed for fluorescent bulbs.

                          The voltage on lots of old monitors is usually around 12v, some use bigger voltages, some have fairly unregulated power supply (for example they may go up to around 15v-18v and then stabilize in a few seconds at something like 14v, so it's not safe to use 16v rated capacitors)
                          On motherboards, especially at the VRM circuit near the cpu socket, it's often possible to replace electrolytic capacitors with polymer capacitors rated for lower voltages because you actually know processors work with <1v .. 1.2v. Motherboard manufacturers used multiple electrolytic capacitors in parallel with higher than required capacitance and rated for 6.3v or 10v in order to have a much lower ESR (bigger capacitors often equals lower esr)
                          For this reason, it's possible to use 2.5v or 4v rated polymer capacitors of slightly lower capacitance in the VRM - you know the output voltages are lower than 2.5... 4v always.

                          If you don't know the supposed output, what voltage should be on that capacitor, stick with the capacitance and votage ratings of the old capacitor.

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