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    Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

    Hello to fellow Samsung sufferers.
    My name is Michael and I have a discarded 2493HM with very low mileage which I believe (wish) can be fixed. My knowledge of electronics is severly limited compared to all you guys in this forum, and my voltmeter is a cheap joke. But I have a simpler question in the end.

    I have read all the other posts about the samsung 2493hm and other samsungs with same power supply (BN44-00195A) but have not found the same problem description anywhere for this monitor.

    The symptom: Screen turns on->Backlight flashes like crazy from the first moment and never stops, does not go black after two seconds. Signal from PC or monitor messages appear just fine (so I assume logic board is ok). Blue led steady on, controls are responsive, and the floating input box on screen flashes to photoepileptic levels.

    Bonus symptom after changing caps on inverter: Intermittent audible high pitch sound from either inverter or power board that starts before the ccfls start flashing but match in frequency when they try to turn on (sound and flashing)

    No bulging caps on power board but yellow glue between two resistors and diode turned black (and has been removed now), resistors look messed up but measure ok when unsoldered.
    No visible arcing on inverter board, or smell of ozone (if that applies to these screens, I have played with some old flybacks in the past and know the smell well)

    My failed remedies after reading possible solutions on badcaps.net: Changed all caps (also 82μf 450V), voltage across IC is ~390V when on. Changed two yellow caps on inverter. Resoldered many joints. The brand of the caps I used is something called Lelon(?) from a local electronics store, they might not be the best but from what I read on this forum they can't be worse than the one Samsung uses

    Good news is after all my horrible soldering and tinkering is that it's not worse.....alas it's also not better.
    Note: When all but one (any) of the ccfl are unplugged then it does not flash, add a second ccfl and it starts flashing.

    Since my skills in electronics don't allow me to do much more, I am asking if there is a way for me to know which component is at fault (Power board or inverter) so I can order the damn piece from somewhere and settle the feeling of not wasting 24". Even thought of converting the screen to LED...but must do further research.

    #2
    Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

    When you changed the caps, did you change the 'startup capacitor ' ???,you will need to take photos if you do not klnow where that is.

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      #3
      Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

      All caps have been changed. From another post on this forum I think the starter cap is in the first image (P1) down center, the left of the two small light blue caps. It is also the worst soldering on the board which is why I don't think I should tinker with it much more (I started soldering by using an underpowered soldering iron, now I use a stronger one)
      It looks (and is) bad but continuity checks out. Voltage on it when on is 0.5V?
      Sorry for crappy images, will make better ones if needed when I find the camera.
      Attached Files

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        #4
        Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

        0.5v is of no use at all,so the Power supply ries to start then shuts down, and then does it again and again, and you get the lamps flashing on and off.

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          #5
          Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

          On your first photo, directly below the 82uf cap, there appears to be two resistors that look to be burned. Hard to tell from the angle.

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            #6
            Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

            @Rtech: so if I try with to measure with the inverter disconnected and I get the same number it means that the power supply is at fault? If it's a short how can I tell where it is?

            @the resistors look bad but measure ok, they were covered with glue that was burnt to black (so I removed it) the diode seems to work but I can check if needed. I can post better pictures soon if needed.

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              #7
              Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

              Just under those resistors,is an 8 pin smps chip.You need to locate the datasheet for it,via alldatasheet.com and take measurements,and hopefully that will help.

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                #8
                Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                Ok will do so on Monday, if I am not mistaken I just test all pins with GND and check if the values are withing specs, and of course I will report here....

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                  #9
                  Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                  I managed not fry myself or the screen!!

                  So the IC has this written on A6159-SK703-351K and I am pretty sure its a "STR-A6159 - LOW POWER OFF-LINE SMPS PRIMARY SWITCHER " which I assume is responsible for the high Hz AC for the flyback (hey I am learning stuff!!)

                  Here is the list of voltages with the screen on.
                  1-3: 0.6V
                  2-3: 16.30V
                  8-1: My volt meter on the 750V AC setting can't read it, it shows crazy numbers ranging from 100-200-10-199- etc. (I guess frequency is too high for my cheap meter)
                  4-3: 0.98V

                  I am all ears....

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                    #10
                    Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                    2-3 looks to be fine as the minimum required is 16v to start the operation.It looks like you have PFC(Power Factor Correction) on the Board also.You need to select some points whereyou can measure DC volts,like those that go to the Logic Board,and sometimes on the Board it tells you what voltage should be on each pin.Measure those with the screen off and then on and see if and where the voltages change in line with the flashing lamps that you are getting.

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                      #11
                      Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                      Ok I did few measurements on the Logic Board
                      The +5V measure 5.3V, the 18V measure only 0.4V and I didn't try the 24V because I am not sure if I can use the same GND pin from the group with the many pins and would rather make sure with someone on the forum I can do so instead of toasting one of the few things that might still work on the screen.
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                        #12
                        Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                        Forgot to mention!!!
                        No change in voltage reading with screen off or on, at least on the pins I measured.

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                          #13
                          Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                          You can use the same Ground to measure the 24V.

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                            #14
                            Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                            Measure the DC voltage on that large DC filter cap (measure at its two legs) in the primary, be real carefull, it should have 325VDC (your AC line voltage x 1.414) when the monitor is plugged in but not turn on, then it should go up to about 400VDC when it is powered up.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                              #15
                              Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                              The 24V pin when on measures 4.7V and when off 0.15V
                              The 82mf 450V capacitor when screen is off measures from 230-240 up to 320V, when on in gives 400V
                              Anyone thinks the inverter might be at fault or the power supply?

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                                #16
                                Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                                On the socket pins is one marked BL_EN, when yopu have a signal applied from the PC then the Logic Board switches the Backlights in via this pin, when this happens the voltage should be a steady 3 volts approx.See if this stays on all of the time, when the lamps are flashing.

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                                  #17
                                  Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                                  BL_EN measures 0V when off and a nice and steady 4.5V when on. I couldn't have a video signal from a PC because it's not very easy but if it helps with the measurements I will move a PC where the dissected screen is located.

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                                    #18
                                    Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                                    Originally posted by radicalmjp View Post
                                    The 24V pin when on measures 4.7V and when off 0.15V
                                    The 82mf 450V capacitor when screen is off measures from 230-240 up to 320V, when on in gives 400V
                                    Anyone thinks the inverter might be at fault or the power supply?
                                    Hi.. just wondering
                                    Did you measure the 24v with the inverter connected?. how about disconnecting the inverter board?.. will the measurement be a stable 24v?

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                                      #19
                                      Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                                      Measured again the 24v pin with the inverter disconnected...exactly same voltages 4.7v with the screen on and 0.15v when off.....BUT I think it might be important to note that I hear the same intermittent audible sound as before from the power supply and the inverter disconnected, AND I managed to narrow the sound to the side of the board where the 240v (mains?) is connected.

                                      So it seems the inverter is ok?

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                                        #20
                                        Re: Samsung 2493hm flashing backlight

                                        Measured again the 24v pin with the inverter disconnected...exactly same voltages 4.7v with the screen on and 0.15v when off.

                                        I am confused, are you saying you are getting 4.7V at the 24V output of the power supply?
                                        Never stop learning
                                        Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                                        Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                                        Inverter testing using old CFL:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                                        Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                                        http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                                        TV Factory reset codes listing:
                                        http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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