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  • ic000001
    New Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 8

    #1

    Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

    Hi guys,

    I'm a bit stumped here.

    -Scrapheap-destined Dell 19" E197fpf monitor that wouldn't power on at all.
    -Found the 12V->5V DC-DC converter IC had failed (AP106 ).
    It was outputting 11V to the rest of the cct. The 3.3V and 1.85V regulator outputs were still fine.
    -I replaced it with a LM2575 1A Fixed-5V version. (). First time the monitor worked beautifully for about 10 minutes then died. Found the 5V regulator had died again.
    -Didn't have my ESR meter yet so I replaced most of "secondary-side" electrolytic caps with rubycon LOW-ESR equivalents. The one cap that I didn't replace has subsequently turned out to be ok anyway.
    -Then put in a new 5V LM2575 and it blew within a few seconds. Couldn't find anything obvious around the LM2575 that might cause it to blow. So I decided to remove it from the cct and inject 5V from a bench power supply.
    -Monitor powers up, but screen is completely white. No OSD visible. Plugging in a VGA signal makes no difference.
    -After reading more posts checked the fuse on the T-CON board and sure enough it was blown. Maybe by the 11V input from the blown regulator?
    -Checked the T-CON board for any obvious shorts that might cause the fuse to blow again, found none, so installed a new SMD Time-Lag 1.5A fuse.
    -Powered everything on and things are looking better, except that now the display is very washed out. Almost as if the brightness is up too high. Colors are faint etc. I have attached a photo of it side-by-side with my usual rig for comparison.
    -I later picked up two mistakes I made with the regulator. First - I'm pretty sure the original component was an ADJUSTABLE version. The markings on the IC are inconclusive but there are two resistors making up a voltage divider and the feedback pin is connected to the middle of those. I thought that perhaps this was why when I installed the FIXED-5V version it kept blowing? The FIXED-5V expects it's feedback pin to be connected directly to the output (via inductor). Anyhow... another mistake was that the original IC was rated for 3A, and the one I put in is only 1A. Could this be a problem? The bench power supply never seemed to go much over about 750mA so I wasn't sure. It is capable of 3A though.
    -Not feeling like trying to source the ADJUSTABLE version I "modified" (cringe!) the PCB to use a 5V fixed regulator. Essentially by-passed the divider and plugged the feedback pin into the inductor output. At least the regulator isn't dying, and is putting out 4.95V. From what I could calculate with the original resistors on the board the adjustable version would give 5.085V so about 100mV difference there.
    -Tried factory defaults reset, even factory program mode, color adjust, rgb etc, no difference.

    Any ideas?
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  • Teodule
    Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 34
    • France

    #2
    Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

    Hello IC00001,

    I am aware your posting is nearly 5 years old but I would be interested in the results for your monitor Dell E197FPf because I have the same on my desk right now. It was also destined to local dump. The lady who gave it to me told me it ceased functioning during a storm. For the moment it is completely dead. I just checked the fuse F850 which is OK. I guess it was damaged by a voltage surge. Do you have the corresponding schematics by any chance?

    Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated!!!!

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    • newtothis
      Badcaps Legend
      • Mar 2013
      • 1556
      • england

      #3
      Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

      5v standby present?

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      • Teodule
        Member
        • Feb 2011
        • 34
        • France

        #4
        Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

        No nothing : AP1506 doesn't even get Vin on pin 1....Actually the switching power supply doesn't switch. The only voltage is the rectified mains voltage on C854 ( 100microF, 450V). Either the SPS driving circuit U850 (SG5841SZ) or the MOSFET Q850 is/are dead. ...or...
        I have found another posting relating to a similar monitor:

        https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16380

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        • Teodule
          Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 34
          • France

          #5
          Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

          I guess this manual can be useful to other members. I got it from
          Attached Files

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          • jetadm123
            Badcaps Legend
            • Feb 2010
            • 2169

            #6
            Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

            Have you tried testing Q850 for a short?

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            • Teodule
              Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 34
              • France

              #7
              Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

              Not yet; Thanks for the suggestion. It is going to be the next test but not before Sunday I'am afraid. Are these MOSFETs very sensitive against voltage surges or electrostatic discharges?

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              • jetadm123
                Badcaps Legend
                • Feb 2010
                • 2169

                #8
                Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                Most semiconductors are sensitive to power surges. If that mosfet is shorted, then U850 is probably also bad.

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                • Davi.p
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 4268
                  • Italy - Milan

                  #9
                  Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                  Teodule i have downloaded the SM you posted but it don't seem the right one to me, i have a similar monitor with similar situation (Dell E173fpf), i have not repaired mine, after lot of tries..
                  Last edited by Davi.p; 04-10-2015, 04:27 PM.

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                  • Teodule
                    Member
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 34
                    • France

                    #10
                    Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                    Hi Davi.p

                    if your monitor is a Dell E173FPf you might rather be interested in the attached service manual. Good luck and let me know about your progression.
                    KR.
                    Teo
                    Attached Files

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                    • selldoor
                      Slow Learner
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 7870

                      #11
                      Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                      Teodule - Pictures of your baords might help.

                      Did you have the PS and main connected when you tested for DC voltages
                      Please upload pictures using attachment function when ask for help on the repair
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39740

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                      • Teodule
                        Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 34
                        • France

                        #12
                        Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                        Yep. Here are the pictures. As you see, a clean and neat board. Of course the board was connected to the 230V AC when I measured the voltages.
                        After a summary check the MOSFET Q850 doesn't seem to be dead - no obvious short-circuit from drain to gate-.
                        Attached Files

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                        • Davi.p
                          Badcaps Legend
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 4268
                          • Italy - Milan

                          #13
                          Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                          "if your monitor is a Dell E173FPf you might rather be interested in the attached service manual." i was referring to your monitor, the S.M. don't seem the right one for your monitor...

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                          • Teodule
                            Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 34
                            • France

                            #14
                            Re: Dell E197FPf - Colors Faint, White Washed Glare, Slight Ghosting - W/Pictures

                            Sorry Davi.p for this misunderstanding. I am still looking for the right SM. I also search for other models (e.g. DELL E176FPF, E177FPF) which might have the same board. what happened to your monitor?

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