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  • stj
    Great Sage 齊天大聖
    • Dec 2009
    • 31214
    • Albion

    #21
    Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

    how much power is the oven heater?
    that relay is rated 10A inductive load - that's 2500w

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    • petehall347
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      • Jan 2015
      • 4440
      • United Kingdom

      #22
      Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

      how long did it last before going faulty ?

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      • junktv
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        • Nov 2010
        • 3065
        • USA

        #23
        Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

        Originally posted by stj
        how much power is the oven heater?
        that relay is rated 10A inductive load - that's 2500w
        The elements say 3400 watt broiler and a 2400 watt bake.


        Originally posted by petehall347
        how long did it last before going faulty ?
        Almost made it 9 months.

        Before that about 18 years.
        Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 01:39 AM.

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        • petehall347
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          • Jan 2015
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          #24
          Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

          so the relays lasted 18 years ?

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          • junktv
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            • Nov 2010
            • 3065
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            #25
            Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

            Yup oven was bought new in winter of 2000.
            Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 05:48 AM.

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            • stj
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              • Dec 2009
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              #26
              Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

              so that's a new relay?
              is it exactly the same as the original?

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              • junktv
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                • Nov 2010
                • 3065
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                #27
                Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                Originally posted by stj
                so that's a new relay?
                is it exactly the same as the original?
                No it's the original relays. All I did last time was fixed the dry joints put it back together and it's been working since last december. I think I did clean that contact with some sand paper then also.

                This time I am going to order new relays though since I seen it was stuck. I actually pulled the relay apart when I removed the back.
                Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 06:21 AM.

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                • petehall347
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                  • Jan 2015
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                  #28
                  Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                  new ones should last 18 years .

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                  • junktv
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3065
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                    #29
                    Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                    Trying to decide If I want to go ahead and replace those caps.

                    Nichicon says the PR is replaced with PS. Pr is a standard for switching with a impedance of .053 with 1100 ripple. PS is a low impedance for switching .058 with a 1600 ripple. Would the FM's be better for the PR? I see one FM says general and one FM says low impedance which seems odd.
                    https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail...6hqa%252bt0%3d

                    https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail...KHKNEftJEVA%3d


                    The kl says standard low leakage and looks like it's still available.

                    No clue on the other 2.

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                    • stj
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                      #30
                      Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                      FM is low, use the PS if your that concerned.
                      the ps has a better ripple capability too.

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                      • junktv
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #31
                        Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                        I'm sorry it was FC that momaka had mentioned. Higher ripple and hour rated but lower impedance at .034 than the PS.
                        Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 11:56 AM.

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                        • stj
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                          • Dec 2009
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                          #32
                          Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                          probably fine to use.

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                          • junktv
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #33
                            Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                            Just a heads up newark seems to be having a big sale on a lot of nichicon PW caps pennies on the dollar.



                            https://www.newark.com/c/passive-com...ange=pw-series
                            Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 01:05 PM.

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                            • junktv
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #34
                              Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                              Well I save a buck buying from newark and closer so would get it sooner but would have to use a FC vs PS(PR replacement) and find a replacement for the KL. Mouser has them so will probably just order from there.
                              Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 01:45 PM.

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                              • momaka
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                                • May 2008
                                • 12175
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                                #35
                                Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                                PS and PW will both do fine, as will Panasonic FC. In fact, I think Panny FC is rated for automotive applications, so they'll be okay with all the heat. Not that FR or FM are any worse, but they are getting close to ultra-low ESR and have aqueous electrolyte, IIRC. Meanwhile, PW, PS, and FC have the older non-aquous electrolyte that's proven to last over the years in harsh conditions.

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                                • junktv
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                                  • Nov 2010
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                                  #36
                                  Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                                  The newark PW sale I was just letting you guys know about since yall have helped me a bunch. I figured since some of you do this for a living you could stock up cheap.

                                  Sorry I meant PR not FR. I don't know this stuff like you guys and I get confused with all the series. lol Will probably just order from mouser since they have PS and kl in stock and the PS closer on impedance. Shame the 2 surge brand caps don't have any info on type.
                                  Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 01:58 PM.

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                                  • junktv
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                                    • Nov 2010
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                                    #37
                                    Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                                    These KL's have 2 models. Only difference I see is the tollerence 10% vs 20%.
                                    https://www.mouser.com/Passive-Compo...yx4aw3Z1z0vhz5

                                    Well most others are 20% so went with that one.
                                    Last edited by junktv; 07-31-2018, 03:47 PM.

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                                    • junktv
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                                      • Nov 2010
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                                      #38
                                      Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                                      Just noticed something the old kl says KL(K) and new one says KL(M). is there any difference?

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                                      • lti
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                                        • May 2011
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                                        #39
                                        Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                                        That is the tolerance code (M = 20%, K = 10%).

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                                        • junktv
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                                          #40
                                          Re: Oven broiler stuck on!!!!

                                          Ah ok Thank you.

                                          I wonder if there will be a problem using the 20% one instead of the 10%. Or if I should put the old one back in.
                                          Last edited by junktv; 08-03-2018, 08:20 PM.

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