Connections between layers

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • gastorgrab
    Badcaps Veteran
    • May 2007
    • 320

    #1

    Connections between layers

    How exactly are the connections made between the layers of a multilayer circuit board.

    Looking at the holes of one of the bad boards, through a microscope almost looks like a rivet was used.

    Solder at this failed connection refused to bead at the base. At closer inspection i noticed that the metallic ring around the hole was missing. The connection looked strange in another way; what i first assumed was solder formed itself into a perfect tube inside the resin board.

    Looked like this:




    Is there a brass rivet/tube that connects the outside layers of a multilayer circuit board. Is this what the capacitors are soldered to?


    This is a board that i got from ebay for $4.95 that appeared as though it had been factory re-capped before. It was covered with known-bad capacitors that were incorrect (higher than) values from similar boards that i own.

    There was no memorable 'event' when the solder ring went missing. I don't know if maybe the tube shape, and the damage, was caused by the fact that a dental probe was used to clear the hole of solder. The solder ring could have also been pulled off by soldering braid but i think i would have felt some kind of momentary resistance when removing the braid.


    Does solder alone connect the pads on opposite sides of the circuit board?
    .
  • gastorgrab
    Badcaps Veteran
    • May 2007
    • 320

    #2
    Re: Connections between layers

    Something like this wouldn't make any sense:





    It would be very difficult to do, and probably an expensive method of electrically connecting the layers.

    What about a tube though?
    .

    Comment

    • Harvey
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Apr 2007
      • 264

      #3
      Re: Connections between layers

      They are plated through holes. The copper layer in the center (making it look like your second picture) is built up in layers in an electro-plating process. Its easy to pull this plating out while desoldering if you overheat the joint.

      Comment

      • gastorgrab
        Badcaps Veteran
        • May 2007
        • 320

        #4
        Re: Connections between layers

        That makes a strong argument against the use of a dental pick. (or any other mechanical method for removing solder)
        .

        Comment

        • kc8adu
          Super Moderator
          • Nov 2003
          • 8829
          • U.S.A!

          #5
          Re: Connections between layers

          Originally posted by gastorgrab
          That makes a strong argument against the use of a dental pick. (or any other mechanical method for removing solder)
          .
          the pick or pin method is safe as long as the pin is smaller than the hole and you dont force it in before the solder melts.
          drilling on the other hand is an extreme risk of killing a thruhole.
          i got to fix a board on a rare industrial machine where someone used a pc drill to clear holes.
          it was a real mess!
          i spent about 8 hours fixing this one.
          there are 3 of these in the world and no spare parts!
          the owner was so happy to see it fire up that even after i handed him a nice fat bill he threw a pizza party for the whole shop.

          Comment

          • gastorgrab
            Badcaps Veteran
            • May 2007
            • 320

            #6
            Re: Connections between layers

            How the hell do you fix something like that?

            Where there no connections to 'interior' layers?
            .

            Comment

            • kc8adu
              Super Moderator
              • Nov 2003
              • 8829
              • U.S.A!

              #7
              Re: Connections between layers

              you figure out where those traces go between parts and add jumpers outside.

              Comment

              • i4004
                Badcaps Legend
                • Oct 2006
                • 2029

                #8
                Re: Connections between layers

                do you have a pic that shows how does that look finished?

                Comment

                • Krankshaft
                  Badcaps Legend
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 2328
                  • USA

                  #9
                  Re: Connections between layers

                  Yeah don't you hate that.

                  I have lifted a few traces in my day it seems like I spend 25% of the time cursing myself out for lifting the trace in the first place.

                  50% of the time tracing out where to place the jumper wire or wires (if the trace in question splits at any point) and the other 25% actually installing the jumper .

                  And of course whenever this happens I don't have the service manual for the board in question either because it is unavailable or because I didn't want to shell out to buy it .
                  Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

                  Comment

                  Related Topics

                  Collapse

                  • howardc64
                    A1312 (27” iMac 2009-2011) A1407 (Thunderbolt Display) A1316 (Cinema Display) Display Black Screen Repair
                    by howardc64
                    Problem

                    This is an LG edge LED lit LCD Display. The LEDs are on the bottom edge of the display. There are 2 bars (left and right) Each bar has many LEDs and a 6 pin connector. Each pin drive several LEDs thus is the highest current flow / heat junction. The weak lead free solder gradually fails with thermal expansion/contraction cycling and increases resistance. PSU will compensate up to a point, then when the current is too high, PSU just shut down the backlight causing a dark display. I have even seen one which the connector just fell off as solder points became completely detached....
                    08-04-2024, 10:36 PM
                  • corrize
                    Best way to solder LVDS connector for beginner (and qfn) ?
                    by corrize
                    Hello, I'm a beginner for micro soldering. Right now I have some difficult to solder a qfn 20, I guess I put too much solder on the thermal-ground pad, the result is a corner of chip wich don't touch the board (last try).

                    I use a wire solder with hot air, I tin the board and chip before with iron and I use good flux.

                    I will have to solder a LVDS connector (40 pins, laptop pc), I saw a solder paste in seringe, good quality (it does not scatter).
                    See the test :
                    https://youtu.be/bNAzC-EvqHs?t=1767

                    With hot air from bellow the board, that's...
                    03-09-2023, 02:57 AM
                  • DCJack
                    B&K 707 tube tester. I need help.
                    by DCJack
                    Hi everyone!

                    I managed to get my hands on a rough condition B&K 707 for "the best price" because it was not working. It's my first tube tester and I'm really wanting to get it up and running. I downloaded that manual that has the schematics and tested every resistor and capacitor and replaced the ones that failed. I replaced the missing 83 rectifier tube with a used but tested-good one. I also have a number 80 rectifier tube that I have used in tests before I found the 83 tube.

                    Initially I noticed that I was not getting the red on-light to turn on, but it...
                    03-05-2024, 05:05 PM
                  • myth77
                    UV solder mask - high temp resistent, recomendation?
                    by myth77
                    Can someone recommend any good UV solder mask? But i need a solder mask that will stand high temperetures. The thing is...sometimes i have a bigger cooper ripped from the board, lets say mosfet pad... i reconstract it with cooper sheet, then i "glue it" with solder mask...then i use UV light...and let it cool a bit. After, i try to clean the cooper of extra solder mask..and till that part all is ok. But, when i use a soldering iron to solder that pad/cooper...the solder mask gets weaker or destroyed and finally the pad is ripped again from the board .
                    Is there any solder mask...
                    03-28-2022, 04:04 AM
                  • petemanuk
                    BGA solder balls not connecting - help pls
                    by petemanuk
                    So I though in my spare time I’d set myself up repairing motherboards mainly pin damaged lga1151 sockets types.

                    I’m using an achi ir sc pro rework station (gave up on my Achie ir6500 - don’t recommend)

                    I’ve managed to get my rework profile somewhere in the correct region (after a lot of trial and error) to get the old sockets off and reflow new ones back on again, the problems I’m getting is not all of the solder balls are re-attaching when re-flow occurs. I know this because when socket is removed pads still look clean and have no solder...
                    11-16-2022, 05:21 AM
                  • Loading...
                  • No more items.
                  Working...