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  • caspian
    Badcaps Legend
    • Oct 2015
    • 1589
    • Laptop

    #1

    New Tiny Pad Installation

    Dear Forum Members,

    Yesterday, I removed a corroded IC from a laptop mainboard (as in the photo). During this process, Pad 19 got ripped off. This pad must be connected to the capacitor above it.
    Unfortunately after cleaning, the ground copper appeared under Pad 19. I have to install a new pad on Pad 19. The new pad must not touch the the ground copper.

    What is the cheapest substance or glue that I can use to cover the ground copper and install a new pad for Pad 19?
    I do not have solder mask. Can I use any other substance for this work?
    the substance must be heat-resistant as I will apply heat to solder a new IC on these pads.
    What are your recommendations on this work?

    Thanks
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    Last edited by caspian; 11-07-2019, 02:09 AM.
  • KvnTM
    Badcaps Veteran
    • May 2018
    • 434
    • Germany

    #2
    Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

    I'd recommend some sort of uv glue, epoxy or soldermask.

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    • caspian
      Badcaps Legend
      • Oct 2015
      • 1589
      • Laptop

      #3
      Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

      I was thinking of using Silicon Glue that can tolerate 200'C. It will cover the ground copper and will hold the new pad too. But I do know if it will be suitable for this job in practice.

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      • budm
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        • Feb 2010
        • 40746
        • USA

        #4
        Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

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        Last edited by budm; 11-07-2019, 11:36 AM.
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        • R_J
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          • Jun 2012
          • 9528
          • Canada

          #5
          Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

          Why don't you just install the new ic, then run a thin wire from pin19 to the cap. There is no need to replace that pad, trying to will likely just result in a mess or more damage.
          Last edited by R_J; 11-07-2019, 12:14 PM.

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          • caspian
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            • Oct 2015
            • 1589
            • Laptop

            #6
            Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

            Thank you.
            I forgot to mention that the IC is QFN. So soldering a wire to it is difficult.
            I thought there might be a standard way to repair such a damaged tiny pad. Is there such a way or I have to soldering a wire to the IC?

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            • megaraider
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              • Jul 2015
              • 307
              • Portugal

              #7
              Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

              Originally posted by R_J
              Why don't you just install the new ic, then run a thin wire from pin19 to the cap. There is no need to replace that pad, trying to will likely just result in a mess or more damage.
              Agree
              Before placing the IC:
              - Make sure ALL pads retain connection
              - Lift / bend pin 19 before soldering the IC

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              • stj
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                • Dec 2009
                • 30945
                • Albion

                #8
                Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                Originally posted by megaraider
                Agree
                Before placing the IC:
                - Make sure ALL pads retain connection
                - Lift / bend pin 19 before soldering the IC
                QFN has no pins - it has pads like a socket775 cpu

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                • R_J
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                  • Jun 2012
                  • 9528
                  • Canada

                  #9
                  Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                  Maybe you could find a similar trace from a scrap board, Then fill the hole on the board with a bit of epoxy, then position the new trace on top of the epoxy. that should prevent it from touching the ground trace below pin 19 and also hold the replacement trace in place.

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                  • megaraider
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                    • Jul 2015
                    • 307
                    • Portugal

                    #10
                    Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                    Originally posted by stj
                    QFN has no pins - it has pads like a socket775 cpu
                    Sure, that's why i mentioned "bend".
                    Most low count I/O QFN ICs usually allow the pads to be bent outwards the package (from backwards to the side).

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                    • stj
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                      • Dec 2009
                      • 30945
                      • Albion

                      #11
                      Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                      no they dont, that's a PLCC package!

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                      • R_J
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                        • Jun 2012
                        • 9528
                        • Canada

                        #12
                        Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                        You may be able to tack a small wire to the side of the ic on the qfn
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                        • diif
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                          • Feb 2014
                          • 6978
                          • England

                          #13
                          Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                          I'd use some Chemtronics thermal epoxy, it will take 315 ºC for a minute. https://www.chemtronics.com/circuitw...hesive-syringe
                          Tin a fine piece of wire, lay it in place of the track, place QFN on top.

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                          • llonen
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                            • Sep 2014
                            • 495
                            • hampshire

                            #14
                            Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                            The last time I had to deal with something similar to this on a Macbook, the customer had already attempted the repair their-self and subsequent damage to the board exposed one of the internal ground layers. I back filled the exposed area with a hard curing UV solder-mask, the remaining arrangements were taken care of with several preformed copper wires soldered to their related nearby components or tracks tinned and positioned under the qfn pads. Thermal re-flowing completed the repairs to a satisfactory working standard. Suggest plenty of practise before attempting this.

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                            • megaraider
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                              • Jul 2015
                              • 307
                              • Portugal

                              #15
                              Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                              Originally posted by stj
                              no they dont, that's a PLCC package!
                              imo some QFN allow it to be done... or at least trimmed from backwards to the side (see picture attached to this post)

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                              • caspian
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                                • Oct 2015
                                • 1589
                                • Laptop

                                #16
                                Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                                UV light is usually applied to a mainboard when there is no IC on it. But I have to apply it when there are various kinds of ICs on the mainboard such as CPU, North-Bridge, Embedded-Controller, Buck-Converters, Mosfets. but there is no UV-sensitive EPROM on it.
                                The mainboard belongs to IBM Thinkpad T61 laptop.
                                Can UV light damage any IC on this mainboard?

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                                • megaraider
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                                  • Jul 2015
                                  • 307
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                                  #17
                                  Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                                  Originally posted by caspian
                                  The mainboard belongs to IBM Thinkpad T61 laptop.
                                  Can UV light damage any IC on this mainboard?
                                  No it won't. But protect your eyes!

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                                  • RethoricalCheese
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                                    • Mar 2013
                                    • 1517
                                    • Estonia

                                    #18
                                    Re: New Tiny Pad Installation

                                    I am working on iphone boards and most often there is a broken trace which needs to be repaired. 0.01-0.02mm wire, UV glue and UV lamp are very good for that job.

                                    For your case 0.1mm wire should work fine. Just cover the ground with a very small amount of UV glue and let it dry under UV lamp. Then clean that wire, solder it to the capacitor and place it where it needs to be. Cut to lenght and apply a new layer of UV glue on it, let it dry under UV again.

                                    Btw, that is far from tiny
                                    Last edited by RethoricalCheese; 11-14-2019, 08:34 AM.

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