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  • pneumaticdril
    Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 11
    • USA

    #1

    BK 2120 scope problem

    I bought a 2120 from Ebay and it has a problem(Of course). The display shows the trace in about 1/4 inch square of the screen. It seems like it's working but the display size is too small. I have checked the output of the transformer and it seems within spec. I do have schematic, but not sure where to start looking. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
  • pneumaticdril
    Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 11
    • USA

    #2
    Re: BK 2120 scope problem

    Haven't gotten too far, only discovering what is not causing the problem. I had thought I was onto something when I disconnected the leads to the coil surrounding the CRT and nothing changed. I now believe that coil is responsible for trace rotation. Still unknown what can cause the screen to shrink to it's current tiny size. Unfortunately, I have no experience with video circuits. Mostly worked with audio equipment, cell phones, and power supplies. Any guidance would be appreciated.

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    • newtothis
      Badcaps Legend
      • Mar 2013
      • 1556
      • england

      #3
      Re: BK 2120 scope problem

      Contact the seller?

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      • redwire
        Badcaps Legend
        • Dec 2010
        • 3900
        • Canada

        #4
        Re: BK 2120 scope problem

        It sounds like it is out of focus, and no horizontal deflection. Does the trace move or blink at really low sweep speeds, or is it in X-Y mode?

        See this old post:https://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15169

        Schematic is here: http://elektrotanya.com/b_k_2120_osc.../download.html

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        • pneumaticdril
          Member
          • Jun 2015
          • 11
          • USA

          #5
          Re: BK 2120 scope problem

          The trace only moves about 1/4 of inch. The best I can get is a 1/4 inch line in center of screen. The focus and intensity adjust work. I need the trace to go completely across screen to see wave form. When I turn off scope the trace will dance to the left half of the screen, leading me to believe the CRT is good. It's like trying to view the world thru a pinhole.

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          • redwire
            Badcaps Legend
            • Dec 2010
            • 3900
            • Canada

            #6
            Re: BK 2120 scope problem

            I would guess the power supply voltage is low for the CRT deflection.
            Take a multimeter and measure the PSU voltages. The +140VDC, +260VDC rails have test points, and +24VDC, +12V, +5V.
            The high voltage -1.9kV you need a HV probe to measure.
            It is set up for the right line voltage 115V/230V?

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            • pneumaticdril
              Member
              • Jun 2015
              • 11
              • USA

              #7
              Re: BK 2120 scope problem

              I did read correct voltages at 140 and 24v test points. I had a critical malfunction when attempting to read 2KV without HV probe and consequently I need to get a new DMM. I will post when I get a new meter and verify the voltages. Thanks.

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              • retiredcaps
                Badcaps Legend
                • Apr 2010
                • 9271

                #8
                Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                Originally posted by pneumaticdril
                I had a critical malfunction when attempting to read 2KV without HV probe and consequently I need to get a new DMM.
                Which meter paid the price for trying to measure 2000V?
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                • pneumaticdril
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                  • Jun 2015
                  • 11
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                  #9
                  Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                  it was an old Radio Shack. had it for about 20yrs. Gave me an excuse to get a new one. Ordered an Extech MN16A. Kinda cheap, don't have the money for a Fluke at this time.

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                  • pneumaticdril
                    Member
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 11
                    • USA

                    #10
                    Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                    Ok, I got new meter and tested all the voltage test points and the 240v is only 25v. I checked back at the transformer and only getting 130vac. I am thinking the transformer is the culprit. Now I just have to locate a new one. Any suggestions?

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                    • budm
                      Badcaps Legend
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 40746
                      • USA

                      #11
                      Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                      Originally posted by pneumaticdril
                      Ok, I got new meter and tested all the voltage test points and the 240v is only 25v. I checked back at the transformer and only getting 130vac. I am thinking the transformer is the culprit. Now I just have to locate a new one. Any suggestions?
                      Not the transformer if you are getting 130VAC, if you look at the Diagram, the 260VDC is generated by stacking the two power supplies. You need to check the components in that section of the circuits.
                      Attached Files
                      Never stop learning
                      Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                      Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                      Inverter testing using old CFL:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                      Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                      http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                      TV Factory reset codes listing:
                      http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                      • pneumaticdril
                        Member
                        • Jun 2015
                        • 11
                        • USA

                        #12
                        Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                        My bad, I will go back and check the components. Thanks much!

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                        • pneumaticdril
                          Member
                          • Jun 2015
                          • 11
                          • USA

                          #13
                          Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                          I think I got it now. I am getting 25v out of BD501 and 140v out of BD502. I will order new rectifier. Will post with results.

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                          • budm
                            Badcaps Legend
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 40746
                            • USA

                            #14
                            Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                            You need to measure the DCV between the two legs of the filter cap C503 for the top power supply, it should have (as you indicated 130VAC reading) 130VAC * 1.414 = about 183VDC.
                            So check the rectifier but I would suspect bad C503.
                            Last edited by budm; 06-21-2015, 09:04 PM.
                            Never stop learning
                            Basic LCD TV and Monitor troubleshooting guides.
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...956#post305956

                            Voltage Regulator (LDO) testing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...999#post300999

                            Inverter testing using old CFL:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthr...er+testing+cfl

                            Tear down pictures : Hit the ">" Show Albums and stories" on the left side
                            http://s807.photobucket.com/user/budm/library/

                            TV Factory reset codes listing:
                            http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24809

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                            • pneumaticdril
                              Member
                              • Jun 2015
                              • 11
                              • USA

                              #15
                              Re: BK 2120 scope problem

                              Yes, I ordered the cap also. No Eparts stores around here, Radio shack was the last to go about 6 months ago.

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