De-solder tool

[dungbeetle]

Can anyone recommend an inexpensive solder sucker as I read here not to use the spring loaded plunger types (the ones I have of course) as damage to the maotherboard can occur.
Thanks,db

[Spacedye69]

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$3 red rubber bulb from RatShack.

[dungbeetle]

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Would this particular desolder tool work good for PSB's? It looks like it to me but I am not an expert.

http://www.emsco-usa.com/hakko/808.htm

[willawake]

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it would probably be awesome but not necessary unless you plan on offering professional recapping services.

[dungbeetle]

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Ok good. I like nice tools for when I need to do a repair and I fix a lot of different stuff. I have the spring loaded gizmos but the way I see it, if I am going to fix my motherboard, I don't want to ruin it with the wrong tools/techniques and I am due for a birthday present soon

[Spacedye69]

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That would rock! Probably not inexpensive, though.

[dungbeetle]

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I found the best price on the net of course and ordered it today

[Spacedye69]

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How much?

[dungbeetle]

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$159.00 at Fryes

[Kaine]

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ouch. i'll pass. I actually use a nice big goot plunger-type sucker. you just got to treat her nice and she'll suck that stuff up just the way you like it.

[Super Nade]

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Don't use the suckers. Get a de-soldering braid instead.

[Harvey]

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I've got a growing selection of plunger-type solder suckers, mainly due to never being able to get replacement tips for the damn things

I've never yet found it a problem using them on fibreglass/epoxy type PCB's or plated through holes, its the paper type that always falls to pieces.. but they tend to do that even using braid if your not careful.

Maybe I'm just lucky?

[Kaine]

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i have braid, and usually prefer it but unfortunately i've yet to invest in a bigger tip for my soldering iron so i just can't deliver enough heat to use it right now. hopefully fixing this weekend

[starfury1]

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for clearing holes I guess the needle method is best cheap option. and wick

unfortunately desoldering gear is not cheap and the one shown above here is about $600 bucks from one mob
(rediculessly over priced compared to the US price at fryes above)

maybe the bulb...

I used a china knock off 701 station (not that I do it very often)

http://www.amazon.com/Aoyue-Function.../dp/B000KSRS9S

The Hakko version (the original) of that here is like $1200 AU
(mine about $200+ AU when I got it)

mind you, the Aoyue is not in the same league as a Hakko quality wise and if Id have had money to burn a hakko would have been what I would have bough of the two
(thats not to say there isn't better out there, cause there is)

to me running the needle through the hole is the safest way
that and the 701 one makes a good combination

just my thoughts on it

Cheers

[willawake]

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mind you, the Aoyue is not in the same league as a Hakko quality wise

have you actually compared the two?

[starfury1]

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Actually your right will!

that should have read, is probably not in the same league.......

And NO I haven't

Just to expand on that;

I did do some searching on it before I got it and found comments on the pots waring out
and from memory something on vacuum I think, cant recall what that was thought
Also the handle gets hotter then on the hakko version was another comment,

It does get hot from my experience and a tad too hot
the printing on the side of desolder gun wore straight off.

The soldering iron is not as good as the Weller in my opinion

but for $200 odd dollars its works for what I need it for so I am not complaining

If I was doing things on a day in day out basis, I defiantly be looking to something of a more professional nature.
for the occasional use it serves me and for that price compared to the Hakko why not

Mind you like I said there is lots of professional stuff but none of its cheap and not sure really were the Hakko version would fall in the scheme of that stuff. but for the money they are asking for their gear I would expect it to better quality even if it is possibly over priced
(well lest wise here)

So hope that clarifier's it a bit better.

[willawake]

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Don't use the suckers. Get a de-soldering braid instead.

its not necessary to use the suckers fully cocked. way too much suction and the recoil might bang a trace. the bulb ones are more appropriate and if nothing is moving with that then its needle time anyway.

i would like to comment that in the beginning i thought i would need a desoldering station but with a needle its not necessary unless for pro type daily recapping.

i dont like braid unless i am doing some clean up on a one sided board, anyway all this stuff is personal choice....find yer own way.

regarding the aoyue stuff, we never found out if they were oem for hakko or just ripping off. still i have seen their range of stuff at an exhibition and it was rather impressive, perhaps not as good as goot or hakko but still not garbage anyway.

if i was buying now i would probably get the Goot RX-711
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/p8king/ts1440.htm

but yeah for soldering and desoldering there is nothing in the price range of the aoyue

[starfury1]

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True Will

anyway all this stuff is personal choice....find yer own way.

As to Aoyue stuff I am happy with it
it works OK (for me) and the above was more just what I found on it
(I really would love to compare the two actually but at $1200 AU )

I just not sure Id want to put it to the test in a workshop environment, but then again for the price of them if it lasted a year or 2 it wouldn't be bad value at $150 US thats for sure, so long as it was useful to you and did the job you needed.

my understanding Hakko, they were Japan made but a lot of companies are now using china so that could be well were they are made now I dont know for sure.

also its possible I suppose to do a few improvements to it like use better quality pots
I found the comments above really more nit picking and for the price said why not

Aoyue seem like they are in the game to stay.....not a fly by night by the looks of them.

http://www.aoyue.com/en/products.asp

its handy to have the 2 irons two and I don't have much problem with the soldering iron side of it.

If anyone is really interested I can post some shots of it and crack it open for some internals if you like?

Cheers

[starfury1]

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well here's some photos anyway

I should add that the ceramic heater is broken I am usually very careful but seems somehow I managed to damaged it...although the thought of ceramic always makes me cringe so hummm not happy Jane.
(it still works but a new heater would be required...next mission)

The other thing is due to the way the pcb was mounted I couldn't easily remove it for a nice pic (switches soldered to pcb)

seems you got more chance of finding hens teeth posted on the net then decent reviews or feedback on stuff like this.....
(I couldn't even find the original posts I mentioned above this time round)

Well as willawake said its a matter of finding tools and a method that work for you
this is mine even if I got to fix it....I am a little spoilt thought I have used them before.

(forgot to get a picture of the iron)

cheers