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  • willawake
    Super Modulator
    • Nov 2003
    • 8457
    • Greece

    #1

    Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

    Today i got a chance to play with another infra red thermography digital camera. I love this kind of technology. It actually would be great to have one of these for validating cooling solutions, overclocking and checking for failure or expected failure of components.



    Basically what it does is show you on the screen the temperatures of what the camera is seeing. It does this by identifying the temperatures in colour and provides a colour bar at the bottom of the screen so you can see what temperatures are what. Of course the bar will change based on the highest and lowest temperatures that are being measured at that moment.

    The cursor in the middle of the screen also does a fixed measurement and shows the temperature in text on the screen so you can take a precise measurement.



    It is also a digital camera so you can take shots and download by usb. Unfortunately this is the budget model (5000 euro) so it has storage for 50 pics at 240x240 pixels 72dpi. The more expensive models have better resolution and more storage. This one is more for on site troubleshooting rather than surveys and inspection.

    We dont really need to discuss the usage for cooling solutions, it is obvious how you could validate cooling solutions and better understand the cooling situation with one of these devices. Actually the suppliers of this product assist Greek computer magazine product reviewers by taking thermal photos of notebooks and other stuff to see how effective the cooling is.

    What we have discussed on our forum is that failure mode of components brings increased temperature. So it would be quite useful to have one of these devices to identify the hottest capacitors, chips and fets when troubleshooting to bring our attention quickly to the problem in the circuit.

    so of course i got my hands on the InfraCam and headed for the server room. For better explanation of the thermal pics we should talk again about my rack. the lan cables are tidier now though...it is an old pic. more pics



    If you check the above photo, going from the top we have :

    patch panel
    cable tidy
    cisco switch
    kvm
    zyxel adsl router
    monitor
    print server this is new it is only a PII 300 with 2x120gb software raid running centos 4 and will provide temporary file serving should the main fileserver crap out. Its main service though is to provide print serving to the two laserjets because i want to mess with it and find a more optimum cups solution. With linux and samba we are blessed because we can add more servers as we wish with no software cost and no active directory difficulties to worry about
    mail server
    fileserver dl380 g4
    apc 1000va
    apc 1000va


    so i have put in bold the items which we will discuss. I have enlarged the images to 350px wide for better discussion. I am sorry that i only had the unit for a short time and i couldnt really take some servers out of production and pull them out of the rack to see more interesting stuff. anyway here are some pics i took. yes they are not that good resolution but the more expensive models are much better in that respect.



    if we start at the top we can see the cisco switch is quite hot, some areas are 33oC. Below you can see the kvm and in the middle of the pic the zyxel router.



    here is the rear of those units. we can see a chip in the zyxel adsl router is at 39oC.



    This was something quite suprising to me, although it should have been obvious. At the bottom you can see the two apc 1000va ups units. They have a cutout in the case for a rear fan but alas those budget units do not include one. You can see the centre cursor taking a reading of 30.9oC and there is also seen components with 33oC temperature. Nothing really to worry about. However if you look above those units you can see the HP DL380 server with its incredibly noisy and powerful multiple fans is quite cool. In fact it is so cool i was suprised.



    and so on we go to take a look at the outlet fan of a psu from one of the 4u servers. When i showed the pics of the FSP460-60PFN
    which is in the mailserver, dood commented on how could it be possible to get good airflow through that packed unit.



    however i could see with the camera that the Macron Power MPT-350P 350W which is currently in the print server and shown below, is in fact a much hotter running unit than the fortron . I was suprised.



    and then the last photo, i am sorry i did not get time to take many. This photo shows a view of the rear of the cabinet where you can see the psu of one of the 4u cases, i forget which. It was interesting to see on the camera the hot exhaust of the servers collecting at the rear of the cabinet.



    i have asked for some example pics from the more expensive cameras but in the meantime you can check the following sites for more details. http://www.transam.gr/ and http://www.flir.com/ I know us guys cant afford this technology but it is interesting to check it out anyway.
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  • arneson
    Badcaps Legend
    • Sep 2005
    • 1267

    #2
    Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

    Could you point that at yourself and post the picture?
    May make a good avatar.
    Jim

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    • arneson
      Badcaps Legend
      • Sep 2005
      • 1267

      #3
      Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

      Seriously, thermal imaging of a circuit board can be by far the easiest quickest way to find a problem.
      Component can be too hot, or just as bad, cold and dead.
      Jim

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      • arneson
        Badcaps Legend
        • Sep 2005
        • 1267

        #4
        Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

        I remember searching for bad caps in televisions with a can of freeze in one hand and a heat gun in the other.
        Jim

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        • willawake
          Super Modulator
          • Nov 2003
          • 8457
          • Greece

          #5
          Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

          actually they are using these at airports to check passengers for elevated body temperatures and if so, further checks for bird flu. avatar would not be that interesting though. photocopy shop girl visiting our office was slightly less interesting viewed via IR. the real thing was as interesting as usual.
          Last edited by willawake; 03-24-2006, 06:54 PM.
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          • arneson
            Badcaps Legend
            • Sep 2005
            • 1267

            #6
            Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

            Girls Gone Hot
            Jim

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            • tylerlough
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 96

              #7
              Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

              mouser.com sells an infrared thermometer for $89 plus s&h linky
              It has a laser pointer so you could just draw your own color coded picture
              89 vs. 5000

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              • stretch0069
                Screwed Up Super Moderator
                • Oct 2003
                • 2658
                • oooo ess aaaaaaaaa

                #8
                Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                Originally posted by willawake
                actually they are using these at airports to check passengers for elevated body temperatures and if so, further checks for bird flu. avatar would not be that interesting though. photocopy shop girl visiting our office was slightly less interesting viewed via IR. the real thing was as interesting as usual.
                will.....are you purposely hiding these threads from me?????

                ...but I suppose I would deserve it.....when I saw the post title, I thought the same thing arneson did.......

                Originally posted by arneson
                Girls Gone Hot



                "Its all about the boom....."

                Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

                We now return you to your regularly scheduled drinking.

                "Fear accompanies the possibility of death.....calm shepherds its certainty"

                Originally posted by Topcat
                AWD is just training wheels for RWD.

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                • willawake
                  Super Modulator
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 8457
                  • Greece

                  #9
                  Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                  cant you see the special pics?

                  damn tc must have messed up the settings again.

                  actually the hottest parts are not those you were thinking of
                  Last edited by willawake; 03-28-2006, 03:58 PM.
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                  • stretch0069
                    Screwed Up Super Moderator
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 2658
                    • oooo ess aaaaaaaaa

                    #10
                    Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                    Ah HAH!!!!!

                    sick minds DO think alike.

                    HAHAHAHAHA
                    "Its all about the boom....."

                    Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

                    We now return you to your regularly scheduled drinking.

                    "Fear accompanies the possibility of death.....calm shepherds its certainty"

                    Originally posted by Topcat
                    AWD is just training wheels for RWD.

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                    • tylerlough
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 96

                      #11
                      Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                      Isn't that called Human Nature

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                      • Per Hansson
                        Super Moderator
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 5895
                        • Sweden

                        #12
                        Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                        Got to play with one of these at work yesterday... I'm into Laser cutting in steel and we where about to get a large contract from a big company so we used it to see the temps of the tube we where cutting in, to prevent any major heating of only one area or the whole tube to keep it within the tolerences...

                        But when we where looking at the pics it was also so obvious how useful a device like this would be in troubleshooting, one of the machines motors got in a shot and you could see it's temp precisley too, with hotspots... The uses for these "toys" as someone above so admirably called them are indeed only limited by your own creativity to find out, and no, I am not a sales person :P

                        Anyway, when we where finnished with that we also had some fun with it :P Too bad I don't have any pics from it... It was a Flir E45 costing only about US 15000$
                        "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                        • willawake
                          Super Modulator
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 8457
                          • Greece

                          #13
                          Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                          damn....laser cutting, i would like to see that, i have seen only plasma cutting. how thick is the steel?

                          The uses for these "toys" as someone above so admirably called them are indeed only limited by your own creativity to find out
                          yes and the ability to see visually the whole picture is likely to lead to breakthroughs in understanding. The information is presented in a manner the brain easily understands rather than reading a report of tables of temperature readings and graphs.
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                          • stretch0069
                            Screwed Up Super Moderator
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 2658
                            • oooo ess aaaaaaaaa

                            #14
                            Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                            we've been running into some weird problems lately and I got to wondering if its heat related. This would be an excellent tool to use to show that the manufacturer didn't provide proper cooling.
                            "Its all about the boom....."

                            Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat.

                            We now return you to your regularly scheduled drinking.

                            "Fear accompanies the possibility of death.....calm shepherds its certainty"

                            Originally posted by Topcat
                            AWD is just training wheels for RWD.

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                            • Per Hansson
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 5895
                              • Sweden

                              #15
                              Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                              Originally posted by willawake
                              damn....laser cutting, i would like to see that, i have seen only plasma cutting. how thick is the steel?
                              We can easily cut up to 10mm with the flatbed lasers, 20 gives a bit rougher cut because the laser can't have a perfect focus at that distance through the material.

                              On the tubelaser machines I use the max is about 8mm, that is on a Adige LT702D, Next week our new "toy" is coming in, a 30m long Mazak FabriGear 300 6 axis 3D laser, it can cut tubes upto 12m long... Can you guess who the operator will be? I think I will need to start working out, or at least will do indirectly when I work ;-)

                              I will snap some pics of it, it will take two weeks to assemble the machine...
                              "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                              • willawake
                                Super Modulator
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 8457
                                • Greece

                                #16
                                Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                                10mm OMG!

                                oh yeah get some pics please. CNC is just awesome.

                                what industry are you supplying to?
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                                • Per Hansson
                                  Super Moderator
                                  • Jul 2005
                                  • 5895
                                  • Sweden

                                  #17
                                  Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                                  We do mostly subcontractor work...

                                  http://www.weland.se/huvud.asp?sLang...3&id=STARTSIDA
                                  "The one who says it cannot be done should never interrupt the one who is doing it."

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                                  • willawake
                                    Super Modulator
                                    • Nov 2003
                                    • 8457
                                    • Greece

                                    #18
                                    Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera



                                    FLIR has a new camera, the i5 which is gonna be about 2500 euro. Its a bit dumbed down though with image quality only 80x80 pixels which means its really for on the spot inspection not reporting.

                                    http://www.ferret.com.au/c/FLIR-Syst...ystems-n776640



                                    theres some chinesy ones also http://www.sds-infrared.com/63/-/hotfind-series.html
                                    from 3000 euro but FOB Guangzhou which means the end price is gonna be higher. i did not get why they have only 2.5 hours battery and also they are using internal memory and not sd card (prefer sd for reliability, change cards every year). still they have range up to 600, 1000, 1500oC which is good. prefer 600 myself. unfortunately the images are 160x120 pixels

                                    why is interesting to me? well there are some good uses in yacht surveys

                                    http://www.clubmarine.com.au/interne...21-2+Technical
                                    http://intys.co.uk/thermalimaging.aspx

                                    but considering i need images for reports, its a shame that the good priced units dont do anything near 640x480........
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                                    • bgavin
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                                      • Jan 2007
                                      • 1355

                                      #19
                                      Re: Infra Red Thermography Digital Camera

                                      Great toy to play with. Come up with the James Bond see-through-clothing glasses and you've got something.

                                      I ordered one of those MicroTemp MT-Pro IR thermometers, and it arrived today. I measured some yogurt, various VRM components, and the missus' boobs. She suggested measuring the 'hoo hah' both before and after... sounds like a plan.

                                      This little gadget seems to work fairly well. I don't expect it to be dead accurate, but if it is relative and repeatable to itself, that is good enough. I'm really curious about hot running VRM, and how well they do with side draft tower coolers vs. down-draft coolers.

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