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  • WarZ
    New Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 8
    #1

    Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

    Done a bunch of reading and based on what I've read and what available to me locally I'm considering this iron for doing the caps on my Shuttle MB's :

    Weller WLC100 Station (40w ~900F)

    Two other options are the:

    WP35 Iron (grounded 35w)
    WES51 Station

    I'm guessing that the 40w station will get the job done well. But I'm new to caps and MB's. Let me know what you think.

    Also since I notice the Rubycon caps are out of stock here are the Samxon ones a good alternative ?

    I need the 6.3v 1800uF 8x20mm caps.

    I also found an eBay seller who had these:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT

    Would that be a viable replacement ?

    Overall great site and forums and thanks for the info and opportunity to work on this !!!
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    • bigbeark
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Jan 2010
      • 661
      • Canada
      #2
      Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

      Not familiar with Weller models, I use HAKKO, but 40W is marginal, 50 to 60W would be better.

      A station is preferable to an iron.

      It depends on the board, boards with a lot of copper in them really bleed off the heat.

      Also the newer boards use that crappy lead-free solder which melts at a higher temperature. Always use lead-containing solder, and apply it to the old solder when removing caps.

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        • kc8adu
          Super Moderator
          • Nov 2003
          • 8832
          • U.S.A!
          #3
          Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

          those are clearly fakes.reported.
          Last edited by kc8adu; 10-07-2010, 09:06 AM.

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            • WarZ
              New Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 8
              #4
              Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

              Bummer - that 40w station is under 1/2 the price of the 50w. But I'd rather go into this with good equipment than not.

              Okay so dont mess with those eBay ones then ? Is there a way to spot fakes reliably ? By specs and pictures those sounded like they'd be the ones

              Last since the rubycon 6.3v 1800uF 8x20mm are out of stock on this site - are the samxon caps of the same value just as good to use ?

              Thanks.

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                • WarZ
                  New Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 8
                  #5
                  Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                  Oh I also saw the reviews on this:

                  http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...s#ReviewHeader

                  Sounds like it might be good ?

                  I know lots of new guy questions

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                    • yyonline
                      Badcaps Veteran
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 692
                      • USA
                      #6
                      Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                      Originally posted by WarZ
                      Is there a way to spot fakes reliably ? By specs and pictures those sounded like they'd be the ones

                      Last since the rubycon 6.3v 1800uF 8x20mm are out of stock on this site - are the samxon caps of the same value just as good to use ?
                      You can spot genuine vs. fake caps by carefully examining their labeling, top vents, and rubber bungs. In the ebay page, the caps had a "T" shape vent, where as real Rubycon have a "K" shaped vent. Additionally, the labeling on the plastic sleeve is all wrong. Wrong font, wrong color.

                      It takes some experience to spot real vs. fake. In the mean time, feel free to post some photos. Forum members are always happy to help out.

                      Samxon GC would be an adequate substitute for the Rubycon.

                      If you wanted to stick with Rubycon, getting the 10V 1500uF MCZ would likely suffice as well. The 10V 1500uF has the same can size, so ripple handling would be the same. Capacitance is a little less, but unlikely to make a difference. Do not get the 6.3V 1500uF MCZ, as those are smaller in size and have less ripple capacity. I just realized after typing all that that Topcat has the 10V 1500uF in stock, and makes the same recommendation on the front page of the site.

                      Another option would be Nichicon HN from Mouser:
                      http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/...NgHrZlUloDw%3d

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                        • WarZ
                          New Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 8
                          #7
                          Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                          Thanks for the replies. I went and ordered a couple of those Nichicon just to be consistent with what I have. Hopefully I haven't mangled my board too bad with the removal earlier We'll see next week.

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                            • larrymoencurly
                              Badcaps Veteran
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 960
                              • USA
                              #8
                              Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                              I found that 40W is usually enough power to solder caps in motherboards but not quite enough to desolder them, even when 63/37 tin/lead solder is added to the joint to lower the melting point. 50W is enough for desoldering, but a regular 50W iron will overheat the tip and oxidize it, which cuts way down on heat transfer.

                              I think the cheapest iron that will handle about anything is a 70W Goot PX-201 temperature controlled, about $50.

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                                • meanderer
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jul 2010
                                  • 50
                                  #9
                                  Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                                  I used to use a WLC100 for my desolder works. But that's for monitor boards. They were thinner with less conducing layers. Since I got more experience and make some money on repairing stuff, I upgraded to WESD51. It has a digital temperature control so I always know what temperature I am at. Really nice addition.

                                  I don't know much about replacing caps on motherboards tho. If you are a beginner I would suggest you get the WLC100 first, then sell it off and trade for the better ones.

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                                    • Krankshaft
                                      Badcaps Legend
                                      • Jan 2007
                                      • 2328
                                      • USA
                                      #10
                                      Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                                      Originally posted by WarZ
                                      Oh I also saw the reviews on this:

                                      http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...s#ReviewHeader

                                      Sounds like it might be good ?

                                      I know lots of new guy questions
                                      That's a desoldering iron not a soldering iron.

                                      Plus ALL Radioshack stuff is overpriced Chinese crap .

                                      On the topic of desoldering irons unless your desoldering iron has a vacuum pump (more expensive models $100+) don't bother and use braid.
                                      Elements of the past and the future combining to make something not quite as good as either.

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                                        • PCBONEZ
                                          Grumpy Old Fart
                                          • Aug 2005
                                          • 10661
                                          • USA
                                          #11
                                          Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                                          I got on of these when I was out of town and unexpectedly had to solder something.
                                          http://www.frys.com/product/3317532
                                          Works well.
                                          Would be okay for an occasional solderer. [erer]
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                                            • ratdude747
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                                              • Nov 2008
                                              • 17136
                                              • USA
                                              #12
                                              Re: Tools & Caps - Worthwhile ?

                                              my 30w xytronic 258 does a decent job on things without heavy ground planes. i am thinking of upgrading to a station with a little more power.
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