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**stj** · 02-07-2010, 10:29 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

cant you do the harmony with wine?

i dont know the answer to your question,
but unless something changed xp will need to be in the first partition.
so you should have thought of this before installing Ubuntu.

unless it will install on a secondary drive, but i doubt it will.

**ratdude747** · 02-07-2010, 10:42 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

i know how to setup dual boot... the reason xp goes first is bootloaders, not partition order.

nope, no wine support, virtual box or dualboot only. there is a native called concordance, but i never got it to fully work.

i will re-install ubuntu when the time comes, i had run ubuntu 64 on it for some time, but recently i have had a reasons to redo boot options.

**bgavin** · 02-07-2010, 10:59 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

IMO, the x64 Windows is a complete and total waste of time unless you are utilizing > 4gb of memory. The chronic driver problems, etc, make it mostly a tinker's playground. The whole point of 64-bit is the increased address range of physical memory.

Unless you have apps specifically compiled to use 64 bit registers, you aren't gaining anything from these. The memory bus transfers faster if it uses 64-bit words. Big deal.

The Dell license is tied to the diag partition found on Dell machines. This is why I always image the system partition, then make a DISK.GHO image of the empty disk. When the disk fails, I can place the customer's diag and serial info onto the new disk. If you don't have this partition in place, XP will ask for a key when it installs. Use any of the Dell provided standard keys. There are only a dozen or so, and they are readily available. You will probably have to go through the online product validation.

**washu** · 02-08-2010, 05:02 AM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

bgavin: The driver issue only applies to XP 64. Vista/7 and by extension server 2008 all have tons of 64 bit drivers. Almost anything fast enough to run 64 bit is going to have 64 bit drivers. Any 64 bit Windows version would run fine on ratdude's hardware, but XP or 2003 is most likely to have missing drivers.

There is more reason than just RAM support. A fair bit of software is faster in 64 bit because of the extra registers. The only real downside to Windows X64 is no 16 bit support, but that's not a big deal unless there is a specific program one needs. And every x86 CPU has run a 64 bit data bus since the P1, no 64 bit support required at all.

Also, the Dell license has nothing to do with the diag partition at all. It's the SLC (XP) or SLIC (Vista/7) in the BIOS that matters. Your wasting your time saving that partition unless you really want the crappy Dell diags. Wipe the diag partition all you want, the OEM install will still work.

**washu** · 02-08-2010, 11:39 AM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

ratdude: I looked up your hardware and everything seems to have XP64 drivers except for your hauppauge card. There is apparently an unofficial generic BT878 driver floating around, but I haven't tracked it down. If you can live without your TV tuner then XP64 should work fine on your hardware.

**kaniki** · 02-08-2010, 12:17 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

Originally posted by stj

cant you do the harmony with wine?

i dont know the answer to your question,
but unless something changed xp will need to be in the first partition.
so you should have thought of this before installing Ubuntu.

unless it will install on a secondary drive, but i doubt it will.

actually, it is not mandatory under normal installs that XP be the first partition. I have done duel boot with 98 and XP and XP went on the second. I also put XP on the second drive with it being the only OS on the computer and it worked fine. The only draw back to the second was that the first drive had to have the boot info on it for booting. but as far as anything linux, i can not say how that would work..

arent there virtual programs out there to run virtual OS's for linux? if so you could try one of those..

**NxB** · 02-08-2010, 01:08 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

The license does not interchange. The COA will work on another computer besides a dell but it will only be x86.

**ratdude747** · 02-08-2010, 01:57 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

oh well... then it will be linux only...

and virtualbox requires an .iso anyway... so it is useless to me as well.

**bgavin** · 02-08-2010, 02:51 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

Originally posted by washu

bgavin: The driver issue only applies to XP 64. Vista/7 and by extension server 2008 all have tons of 64 bit drivers. Almost anything fast enough to run 64 bit is going to have 64 bit drivers. Any 64 bit Windows version would run fine on ratdude's hardware, but XP or 2003 is most likely to have missing drivers.

There is more reason than just RAM support. A fair bit of software is faster in 64 bit because of the extra registers. The only real downside to Windows X64 is no 16 bit support, but that's not a big deal unless there is a specific program one needs. And every x86 CPU has run a 64 bit data bus since the P1, no 64 bit support required at all.

Also, the Dell license has nothing to do with the diag partition at all. It's the SLC (XP) or SLIC (Vista/7) in the BIOS that matters. Your wasting your time saving that partition unless you really want the crappy Dell diags. Wipe the diag partition all you want, the OEM install will still work.

Thanks for the corrections.

However, the OP is specifically using XP64, and my comment stands.

None of my business clients run Vista/Win7 nor are they interested.
Now that I think about it a bit, there are indeed customized BIOS tables for the licensing. I don't have time to hack anymore, and have lost interest in hacking altogether, so I give it very little thought.

Indeed, the diags are useless.

I run VMware instead of dual boot. It seems less problematic.

**NxB** · 02-08-2010, 03:06 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

and virtualbox requires an .iso anyway... so it is useless to me as well.

You could just download it. It comes with an ISO and a most likely non blacklisted key since x64 is not super popular and they actually want people to use it, pirated or not.

If you want to be legal eagle, do without or buy it.

**willawake** · 02-08-2010, 03:29 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

i never used an iso with virtualbox

**brethin** · 02-08-2010, 04:50 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

The short answer is yes it will work you can use the same COA for x86-32 or x86-64 versions. I have several Dell GX620's that I have installed both versions on using the same COA. I have also installed both on a ASUS board using 1 COA.
As long as you can find all the drivers you need the x64 is better, in my opinion. With less than 4gig of ram it will be faster than the x86 but you really see the difference when you run more than 4gig.

**ratdude747** · 02-08-2010, 06:53 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

look, it is not needed since my netbook has xp home dualbooted. oh, and vmware is not free... or so it seems.

**stj** · 02-08-2010, 08:50 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

vmware should be free for non-comercial use as of last year.
but you may need to mail them for a license.

**NxB** · 02-08-2010, 09:51 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

the short answer is yes it will work you can use the same COA for x86-32 or x86-64 versions.

OEM version or retail? That would be very cool.

**brethin** · 02-09-2010, 12:47 AM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

Both but you need the Media to match the CoA. IE if you have a Dell OEM COA you need Dell OEM media for both x86 and x64 which you can get from dell with your dell service tag #. Not all Dells come with OEM XP, the GX620's I have came with a full retail COA. If you have a VLA or Corp COA you need VLA/Corp CDs for each, same goes for retail etc. There are also different levels of each, IE with no service packs, with SP1, with SP2 etc and that media is specific with the COA.

The keys are tied to the type of CD but not restricted to just x86 or x64.

For retail versions Microsoft used to let you order the x64 for XP if you purchased the x86 but they stopped doing it when Vista came out, you can still order Vista x64 and I think Win 7 comes with both now by default.

One good thing that came from Vista is that in most cases you no longer need specific media for a specific COA. The Vista CD would work with most any COA and depending on the COA you used is what features were enabled during the install. IE if you have a home COA it installs home etc. I beleave Win 7 follows these same rules.

**NxB** · 02-09-2010, 11:15 AM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

I've used non OEM xp pro with OEM COAs and it works. You do have to activate it over the phone but thats it. Same with XP home. I thought OEM only took care of activation.

**mockingbird** · 02-09-2010, 12:39 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

If you need a 64 bit OS I highly recommend either Kubuntu Karmic or Debian Lenny. Karmic has the edge over Debian right now because Lenny is still stuck at 5.04 from last year so I find myself having to hack in backports and other releases from Lenny Backports or other Debian clones.

Just make sure to download the "AMD64" version (Yes, it's for both the AMD and Intel x64 chips) and only download the first CD. Don't bother downloading all the CDs or DVDs. The first CD has everything you need and the rest you will download during the install.

Make sure to get Kubuntu and not Ubuntu because Gnome is really sucky right now compared to KDE. KDE is almost perfect in its current state if you ask me.

**ratdude747** · 02-09-2010, 03:29 PM

Re: win xp pro 64 on a x86 pro COA

hell no.

kde: a desktop with a goofy "k" fetish, and looks way too much like windows. i like the look of gnome and i have had no complaints about karmic. and i know amd 64 is what i want, that is what i installed.

the only reason i even wanted to run windows was for the rare times that i had to run it; i primarily use ubuntu.

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