mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

[ratdude747]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

no, i use linux cause they dont generally force people off os's like that

[KeriJane]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

Hi Nxb

Prettier and more expensive. But better is very subjective. You CAN build stuff that will eat your mac alive and run OS X.

Let's not even go there OK?
Unless you propose something that can eat a dual quad-core CPU Nehalem Xeon server system alive. And LEGALLY run OSX.

Because that's what the modern Mac Pro is.
Which I'm gonna get someday. Meantime, this here ancient Dual dual-core Mac Pro 1.1 is OK.

Have fun,
you just keep thinking you're better than Mac and I won't,
Keri

[Junk Parts]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

I guess Xp Home is on my pc just so it can start up with a nice background pic with icons for what I do use. For the internet I have FireFox, and AOL. For CD/DVD copy work I have Nero 7, and DVDFab 6. To watch DVD's I use Power DVD. I would like to try that OSX but I don't know how to make that happen on this Dell or the Hp Compaq at this time. When ever my pc ends up toast its always the windows install that has become broken for its own reasons....Billy what the hell have you done to my PC!

[NxB]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

And LEGALLY run OSX.

EULAs aren't all that legally binding. Its a civil matter anyway. Its not even copyright infringement if you buy the damn thing.

[ratdude747]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

Quote:
And LEGALLY run OSX.


an os cant run an os

stay on topic (i never said mac hardware was bad- the original mac usb pro keyboard is really cool )

[KeriJane]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

Hi JunkParts!

Oh, there's all kinds of stuff about running Mac OS on modern Intel systems.
They often call it OSX86 or MACOSX86. The machine that it's on is called a Hackintosh.

I'd recommend using one of the better Linux distros though. Some of them can be made to appear Mac like.

[KeriJane]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

Hi JunkParts!

Oh, there's all kinds of stuff about running Mac OS on modern Intel systems.
They often call it OSX86 or MACOSX86. It isn't that hard to do because Apple isn't all paranoid about theft of software like MS is.
Some of the Hackintoshes are pretty good. The better ones usually have a similar CPU/Chipset to various real Macs such as a Core2Duo/ i945 which was used on the Mac Mini and some MacBooks. I'm sure someone out there has probably done a Dual Xeon Hackintosh too.
My preference for (and support of) real Macs appears to irritate some of that crowd. a bit.

I'd recommend using one of the better Linux distros though. Some of them can be made to appear Mac like with a far wider range of computer systems such as AMDs and non Core-based Intels. You would still get a lot of the UNIX benefits, just not much Mac software compatiblity.
(Yes, I know that peeps have cracked OSX for AMD, etc, but the preferred system remains Core-based)

Have Fun!
Keri

PS. Why not try a Mac Mini?
The previous generation Mini can be bought brand new for under $400 if you know how to shop or try an older one like a G4 which often go begging on the Bay.

[ratdude747]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

me=low on spare cash

my new (to me) emachines 5026 (totally modded) does me REALLY well

p4 3.0 ghz presscott-b (no ht or 800m)

1.5gb ram

250gb sata hd

cdrw.dvd rom, cd 48x

7 usb2.0

internal card reader

3 firewire, front sound

onboard graphix (no pci-e 16 slot, but a spot to solder one)

delta 350w ps (full of nichicons and nippon chemicons)

10/100 networking

ubuntu 9.04

also, see "post your system" in this subforum for my other two machines, also with ubuntu 9.04 (eeepc is now a 1000he due to warranty exchange)

see, no 400 dollar mac needed for a good time

[kc8adu]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

me=low on spare cash

my new (to me) emachines 5026 (totally modded) does me REALLY well

p4 3.0 ghz presscott-b (no ht or 800m)

1.5gb ram

250gb sata hd

cdrw.dvd rom, cd 48x

7 usb2.0

internal card reader

3 firewire, front sound

onboard graphix (no pci-e 16 slot, but a spot to solder one)

delta 350w ps (full of nichicons and nippon chemicons)

10/100 networking

ubuntu 9.04

also, see "post your system" in this subforum for my other two machines, also with ubuntu 9.04 (eeepc is now a 1000he due to warranty exchange)

see, no 400 dollar mac needed for a good time

iirc all prescott cores except celeron d were ht.

[acstech]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

I voted Fedora / Redhat, but I'm typing this up from an MSI Wind running OSX. It runs great on this Intel Atom based system!

[NxB]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

(no pci-e 16 slot, but a spot to solder one)

I've always wondered if its possible to do that for extra ram slots, pci slots, etc.

[Junk Parts]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

I will build my HackenTosh someday in the future. Right now I'm on a Dell with a 3.06 Hyperthreading CPU, and 4 gigs of RAM. I'm not pressed to say the least for anything. I'd just love to try out OSX one day in the future on this "PC"

[NxB]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

Only problems I've had.. even on unsupported AMD is that there are no graphics drivers for the cards I have. That means no quartz and it looks like windows in safe mode. Works just fine in Vmware though.

[ratdude747]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

iirc all prescott cores except celeron d were ht.

yes there are ones like that. it is an lga775. i checked, it is a presscott-a

quote from wikipedia (article: Pentium 4):

"Originally, two Prescott lines were released: the E-series, with an 800 MT/s FSB and Hyper-Threading support, and the low-end A-series, with a 533 MT/s FSB and Hyper-Threading disabled."

there you go

[zandrax]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

My preferred os is BeOS: simple but advanced for the time (journaled file system with unlimited attributes, SMP support up to 32 cpus, clean design with pretty good performances), it was intended to replace Mac OS Classic aka System in late '90s; when Jobs returned to Apple and based OS X on Nextstep, then Be tried to contact PC OEMs for preinstalling it near to Windows 9x: Microsoft threated manifacturers by enforcing the Windows boot manager (which de facto disabled dual booting), then Be went bankrupt and Palm bought the remains. OpenBeOS, now Haiku, aims to reimplement a BeOS-compatible and -like os from scratch, but it's still a long time before completion and the then innovative parts (e.g. real time indexing, per-application audio mixer, ...) are now more and more common.

Zandrax

[ratdude747]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

support up to 32 cpus

Zandrax

i heard that amd is making a new opteron featuring 8 cores, with some boards having 4 sockets... so 32 pus is not unreasonable

[KeriJane]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

Yay!

Apple is set to release the next OSX called "Snow Leopard".
http://www.apple.com/macosx/

This OS looks to be more 64-bit than Leopard is and is mostly intended to appear as a major update to Leopard rather than a completely new OS.

However, Snow Leopard has some startling new technical features, namely:

Grand Central, where the OS handles the threading of multi-core processors. (I think that means it's better than Programs having to do that?)

OpenCL where the OS can harness the power of Graphics processors for other tasks. (More CPU power on demand?)

The march towards total 64-bit computing goes on, with Snow going even more 64-bit than Leopard. (Oh no! I hope Adobe isn't snoozing this time)

Last, there is an awful lot of chatter about the new ZFS file system with total data integrity. It's going in Snow Leopard Server and rumored for consumers too.

As is Apple's way, they are probably going to phase out support for older processors and programs. That usually means that the new stuff works better as the OS doesn't have to emulate antiques like MS does.

They are also likely to keep the price modest at $129. I hope they don't get any funny ideas about serial numbers or activations .... the lack of that junk is one of my favorite Leopard features.

Have fun,
Review coming in September
Keri

[Nama]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

I am in no way Mac guy only apple thing i have ever touched besides monochrome systems in the 80's is an ipod. and still I dont even like ipods. But I played with a hackentosh today and it seemed to be very smooth, It was running ubuntu. So I may build one of the micro or mini macs to run XP and use as my new media server. Anyone have a Hackentosh>> Jacob

[NxB]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

I've put ubuntu PPC on a mac mini and it was good to go right out of the box. Limited set of hardware, go figure. Hackintosh would be a commodity hardware pc running OSX. The other way around is just a mac running whatever. You still got robbed buying the hardware from apple.

The march towards total 64-bit computing goes on

And here I was running Server 2003 64 and linux mint 64 all this time. Since like what, 2006?

Grand Central Dispatch - NT Executive which is already in vista and server 2003, already did this. Your fancy new gizmo just makes it easier for developers to use multiple cores when coding for snow leopard. Until they decide to use it, you get jack shit.

OpenCL- Graphics processors are customized to do ... graphics.
Plus this is being made by Nvidia/ATI so a linux/windows version will happen.

Review coming in September

Or now. The developer preview is on the pirate bay.

[zandrax]

Re: mirror, mirror on the wall- which OS is the best of all

i heard that amd is making a new opteron featuring 8 cores, with some boards having 4 sockets... so 32 pus is not unreasonable

Don't forget that quad socket motherboards are for servers: now most people have a computer with a dual or quad core cpu, 10 years ago they had a single core one and a 32 processors cluster was something unheard in small to mid server kingdom. It simply meant you could run BeOS on your expensive dual socket workstation without worrying about drivers and programs SMP awareness and compatibility.

Zandrax