Windows 10 benefits - Are there any?

[Spork Schivago]

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For 10: Remember the letters: L T S B

Okay. I'm a bit confused about the whole Current Branch / Long Term Servicing Branch. Could you or someone else explain it to me? Found an article on it but it was a bit confusing.

http://windowsitpro.com/windows-10/u...nch-windows-10

Thanks!

[stj]

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2023 ?
other than the xbox division, i doubt micro$oft will make it that long!

[diif]

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I didn't read the entire forum here, getting ready for bed. Sooner, rather than later, I believe Microsoft will stop supporting 7 / 8 / 8.1 (in that order I believe). They'll support the newest OS though, until a newer one comes along. So eventually, you'll stop getting security updates for 7 and 8.1. Windows 10 is a bit unstable still. I like how they kind of brought back the start menu though. I thought 8 / 8.1 was god awful. For XP, Microsoft supported it for a very long time. I remember reading an article where they said they weren't going to support the other OSes nearly as long. Right now, Windows 10 is also a free upgrade if you're running a semi-new OS, like 7 or 8. Don't know if Vista is covered. Come June, I believe you'll have to pay for a copy if you want it. Just some stuff to think about.

Yes, EOL for Vista is 2017, 7 is 2020, 8 is 2023.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/lifecycle

[RJARRRPCGP]

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Windows 10 is a bit unstable still.

For 10: Remember the letters: L T S B

[Spork Schivago]

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I didn't read the entire forum here, getting ready for bed. Sooner, rather than later, I believe Microsoft will stop supporting 7 / 8 / 8.1 (in that order I believe). They'll support the newest OS though, until a newer one comes along. So eventually, you'll stop getting security updates for 7 and 8.1. Windows 10 is a bit unstable still. I like how they kind of brought back the start menu though. I thought 8 / 8.1 was god awful. For XP, Microsoft supported it for a very long time. I remember reading an article where they said they weren't going to support the other OSes nearly as long. Right now, Windows 10 is also a free upgrade if you're running a semi-new OS, like 7 or 8. Don't know if Vista is covered. Come June, I believe you'll have to pay for a copy if you want it. Just some stuff to think about.

[RJARRRPCGP]

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I felt bad for the fella, so "traded" him one of those early 2000's Gateways with a 700MHz P3 CPU- would you be surprised if it was more stable and "on the ball" than the old P4 Asus spaceheater?

Granted, it wasn't being used for extreme-for-2007 stuff, but navigating torrents of whitewater and CD burning was no problem. It had the same case as this:

That's the same case style that late-1990s Katmai-based Gateways used.

Like a PIII 500 I once worked on, to get rid of junkware!

[kaboom]

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(For those of you who don't know, that laptop has a Pentium 3 CPU @ 700 MHz and 512 MB of RAM.)

Another "Adam-puter," this time a portable one. Remember how intel killed the P3s off because they couldn't stand the "old tech" P3s outclassing Netbusts?

Funny how intel admitted defeat by drawing on P3s afterwards? Everything since Core owes their existence to the humble P3.

The "Adam-puter" was a P4P800-E system that got run over by a Deer. Had a P4 3.4E-HT. (HT=heater tech?) I got it to try to fix back in 2007. Tried a new power supply/reinstall, but it came back a few months later. Saw KZGs/KZJs and thought chips on mobo got damaged before I replaced the power supply; we didn't seem to know much about those cap series back then, so I assumed mobo was no good.

I felt bad for the fella, so "traded" him one of those early 2000's Gateways with a 700MHz P3 CPU- would you be surprised if it was more stable and "on the ball" than the old P4 Asus spaceheater?

Granted, it wasn't being used for extreme-for-2007 stuff, but navigating torrents of whitewater and CD burning was no problem. It had the same case as this:



That little story only sticks with me because I thought I'd try Mr. Deer til I got the new supply. Well... it whined and complained after I applied some settings in MSCONFIG. Made a beeline for the plug, just as it settled down. Miracle it didn't kill the HDD... Ripple throughout entire system; even when idle you heard the beat note, from VRM freq beating with the SMPS freq and affecting feedback loop, in every motor- fan and HDD.

What fun...

[momaka]

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The only advantage I can think of that Win 10 has is DirectX 12.

That's what I was thinking too. But I am not a gamer (not a "modern" one, anyways), so I don't know how much that matters, if at all.

The only that matters to me is that my PC does what *I* tell it to do. I actually couldn't care less about the whole spying aspect of Windows. But if my PC starts updating on its own and changing things without my permission, that's when I have a problem. And because Windows 8 and 10 seem to be designed that way from the core (especially Windows 10), I am certainly not going to touch it. Not for any proper work or storing any of my data that I consider important.

Also, lookimback brings a valid point - all of that spyware stuff likely does slow down your PC, even if it does "feel" faster. So that's another reason to say no to Windows 8/10.

Then there's the whole spying bit, and the sinister EULA that basically deeds your entire hard drive contents to Microsoft to use in any way they wish. I don't get how people think that noting that Microsoft is not the first one to do this makes any difference. Windows 10 is the first Windows to do this, and that's the discussion at hand. Whether Android or iOS or Mac OSX do it is something to discuss elsewhere. What concerns me is whether Windows does it, not whether anyone else does.

100000000000000000% agree with you.
Just because Apple and Google spy on you doesn't make it right for Microsoft to do it as well. It ticks me off when people use that logic, "ooo, it's okay if MS does it. Others started doing this a long time ago."

I did try to block all of the IPs associated with the Windows "telemetry" at the router level, but it still went through. It turns out that my router only obeys the IP blocking list with unencrypted data. HTTPS whistles right through, unimpeded, on my Netgear WNDR3700

Why-o-why am I not surprised about this!

I loathe Apple and their approach to the iDevices, and their snooty attitude and overpriced hardware.

I think this is who MS has been trying to impersonate for a long time now. And it's definitely noticeable ever since Windows 8 came out.

My PC runs programs, not apps.

But "apps" are the new fad these days. Don't have them? -Not cool dude!

Eventually, I've read, the Control Panel will go bye-bye, and the Settings app will do it all. Why, though? Why does anything on a desktop PC have to be done in an "app" designed for a phone? Why is the terrible replacement for Windows Media Player an app? Why is the picture viewer an app? Why is the personalization menu an app?

Because! (*blank expression*)
It's just like trying to argue with the people who support Solar Freakin roadways (look it up and then see EEVlog videos #632, 681, and 743 - hilarity guaranteed ).

I also have never had a Facebook profile (I like the guy who has that F Facebook avatar-- right on), no Twitter, no LinkedIn, none of that.

That would be stj . If I didn't have my avatar for as long as I did, I would have changed it to that too. I had Facebook for about a year or so in high school (about 10 years ago), but I didn't like it and so deleted it. If Facebook "fell-trough" with their agreement, my data should have been removed a long time ago... but I highly doubt it

People (sheeple?) almost expect computers to slow over time, y'know, because they "get old."

I've heard that same verse so many times as well.

ooo, my PC is slow because it's already X years old. I heard the new Microsoft runs much better.
Me (thinking): new Microsoft?! lolwhat (it's true, I've heard this many times before)
Then I do a minimalist install like on all of my PCs. The old PC is new again. No scratch that - better than new if it was an OEM install by Dell, HP, and the like.

Also, I had one friend in college just a year ago, who insisted that I had "hacked" my PC (stock Dell Optiplex 170L with 1.25 GB or RAM ), because it ran so fast.
The best, however, is when one kid thought my Dell Latitude C600 laptop had an SSD in it, because it cold-booted so fast . He couldn't believe it when I told him that it actually has only a 3400 RPM PATA HDD . (For those of you who don't know, that laptop has a Pentium 3 CPU @ 700 MHz and 512 MB of RAM.)

[goontron]

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People (sheeple?) almost expect computers to slow over time, y'know, because they "get old."

Then i install FreeBSD on the "Old, Slow" Core2 and its flying!
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[kc8adu]

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didnt analyze it.a fresh load without the factory junk is always better and can be done in nearly the same time.

[kaboom]

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had that on a onsite job.
system was dragging its ass and i found several hp utilities were to blame.

Was any of that related to the bloat/scam/malware disguised as "printer drivers," or just the usual preload stuff?

since all it was for was working a sage50 database on another box i wiped and reloaded.no more huge ? in the tray nagging you about whatever..
doubled its speed.who replaced my computer?nope same box just took out the trash.

People (sheeple?) almost expect computers to slow over time, y'know, because they "get old."

[kc8adu]

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had that on a onsite job.
system was dragging its ass and i found several hp utilities were to blame.
since all it was for was working a sage50 database on another box i wiped and reloaded.no more huge ? in the tray nagging you about whatever..
doubled its speed.who replaced my computer?nope same box just took out the trash.

[reaper57]

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You never want to run "special" or "customized" winblows installs from OEMs. As true as it was in the late 90s, it's damning today...

HP "spyvisor" and Dell backdoor-as-driver-update are nothing new. Again, first priority with name brand shitboxes is a clean windows install from an actual disk/image; never from a "nokia-phreaking" copy of XP, for example...


The AOL mentallity needs to end, right now. "Ooh- updates, yay!" Uh-huh, dumbass- that's how your naivete-as-trust is exploited.

"B-but updates, it needs to be updated!" - If anyone falls for that, repeatedly and after multiple explanations, they can get lost. The worst bunch- they'll fuck up your best work/install, then blame YOU after they got click happy and trashed it. And want you to "fix for free."

I don't even need to get into the I-h8te-ten issues...

That's why we don't give warranty on software repairs (with some exceptions), at the place I work at.

[lookimback]

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I'm pretty sure it isn't malware/spyware, or viruses. I'm meticulous about keeping Windows and my AV programs up to date, and I never open a download without scanning first.

[lookimback]

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Got rid of the first 3 WMI-Activity errors. It was HPiece-O-Shit Support Assistant. Now I see that it wasn't just the one thing. I have about 60 WMI-Activity errors, at least a half dozen different PIDs. The one PID has about 20 instances, but all different service names. I don't have any more time tonight. I'll start tackling them tomorrow. Right now, cooking pumpkin pie is more important.

[kaboom]

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You never want to run "special" or "customized" winblows installs from OEMs. As true as it was in the late 90s, it's damning today...

HP "spyvisor" and Dell backdoor-as-driver-update are nothing new. Again, first priority with name brand shitboxes is a clean windows install from an actual disk/image; never from a "nokia-phreaking" copy of XP, for example...


The AOL mentallity needs to end, right now. "Ooh- updates, yay!" Uh-huh, dumbass- that's how your naivete-as-trust is exploited.

"B-but updates, it needs to be updated!" - If anyone falls for that, repeatedly and after multiple explanations, they can get lost. The worst bunch- they'll fuck up your best work/install, then blame YOU after they got click happy and trashed it. And want you to "fix for free."

I don't even need to get into the I-h8te-ten issues...

[retiredcaps]

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kill it.
anything from HP, Compaq, Toshiba etc is usually just pointless crap or spyware.

When I get computers to fix from friends and family, I first run malwarebytes at least twice to get rid of all the viruses/malware/pups. Afterwards, I go to the uninstall panel and start removing all the OEM bloatware and anything else that hasn't been used for more than 12 months.

BTW, another reason for me never to buy Dell ...

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/1...breaking-https

"The rogue eDellRoot certificate is dated two months after the Superfish debacle happened. Furthermore, Dell used the Superfish debacle to their advantage, promoting the security of their own products. Since Dell clearly knew that installing a root certificate—à la Superfish—was a bad idea, why did they make the exact same blunder?"

[lookimback]

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That's what I'm going to do too.

[stj]

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kill it.
anything from HP, Compaq, Toshiba etc is usually just pointless crap or spyware.

[lookimback]

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I figured that. I've located the problem process. It's HP Software Framework WMI Service. Hpqwmiex.exe
I get a bunch of errors on this in Event Viewer....WMI Activity>Operational log