Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Whoa,
I completely missed that the DDR is registered.
- Gotta go look some more.

How does it kill the boards?
If it's pulling too much power you can reference the AGP pin-out and trace the circuit on the card to find some attachment points for wires and add your own molex to the card. It would be on wires instead of hard mounted but so what.

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[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

EDIT: One thing that I have noticed with the 4000 is that it kills boards.
Excluding my Dimension 4100 it has killed the AGP slot on every board I have tried it in.

Are you kidding, aren't you?
I've heard of 8x graphic card destroyed because someone tried them in a board feturing a old 4x or 2x universal slot: the slot feed the card with a killer voltage (3.3 or 1.5 vs 0.8v).
Surprisingly, I've never heard of graphic cards killing mobos: I fear your Wildcat 4000 is shortcircuiting the slot and, since the Agp is directly connected to the northbridge, it could definitively trash the board. Even more strange, the Dimension 4100 is built around the Intel 815E, who supports Agp 2.0: you shouldn't have such a problem with any other Agp 2.0 compliant board.

Keep us updated.

Zandrax

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Edit: I suddently remember that the first Agp mobo (around 1996-97) could have their traces burnt by the GeForce 256: this card required much more power than most contemporary cards and mobos weren't engineered to sustain that load.
However, since then every board was designed to allow the maximum draw expected by the last Agp revision, so it shouldn't be an issue.

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

What is this super secret ISA device anyway?

Are you the one that out bid me on the ISA O'scope card?

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[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

What is this super secret ISA device anyway?

Are you the one that out bid me on the ISA O'scope card?

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I hope there isn't a Pci equivalent, otherwise I'd curse pentium's Wildcats . He'd have two killing cards, in the literal sense .

Zandrax

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Whoa,
I completely missed that the DDR is registered.
- Gotta go look some more.

How does it kill the boards?
If it's pulling too much power you can reference the AGP pin-out and trace the circuit on the card to find some attachment points for wires and add your own molex to the card. It would be on wires instead of hard mounted but so what.

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Forget the registered ram: I haven't found any Athlon server board with an Agp Pro *and* an Isa slot. Even Tyan, which supports Amd since long ago, has only a few Athlon boards with a plain Agp and an Isa slot.
The 4000 card worries me: I simply hope pentium doesn't want to try into the Agp Pro board. It could be called a suicide...

Zandrax

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Can also eliminate all the Intel chipsets that have 3 numbers in them i810, i845, i875 and so forth. None of those support registered memory (unless it's RDRAM ).
For Intel only the 4 number chipsets work for DDR registered. E7505 and so forth.

It's going to be much cheaper to replace the RAM that to buy this mystical motherboard if there even is one to be found.

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[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

It's going to be much cheaper to replace the RAM that to buy this mystical motherboard if there even is one to be found.

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I agree: I've found a Tyan Thunder HEsl (S2567), a dual P3 board with an Agp Pro and an Isa slot, but its chipset supports only registered Sdram. Boards which require registered ddr don't have the Agp or the Isa slot, so pentium is a bit out of luck.

Zandrax

[pentium]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

I hope there isn't a Pci equivalent, otherwise I'd curse pentium's Wildcats . He'd have two killing cards, in the literal sense .

Zandrax

<shifty eyes>
No sadly there is no pci equivalent and it's not a scope card (those exist?).

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

<shifty eyes>
No sadly there is no pci equivalent and it's not a scope card (those exist?).

Of course Isa oscilloscope cards do exist: this bus has been the preferred one for industrial applications for about 20 years. BTW, I managed to find one on e-bay. A bit large, you know: a full-length isa card. Picture attached.

I'm really curious now: it's an odd 8 bit proprietary controller?

Zandrax

[PCBONEZ]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

It might be 8-bit ISA. That's all a scope really needs.
There were also Apple/MAC versions and versions for IBM's MCA bus.
There are also PCI, Parallel Port, and USB versions.

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Don't worry PCBONEZ, the picture is a photo of an old isa oscilloscope card.
I wonder what pentium's card is: maybe an old, 8 bit proprietary controller?

Zandrax

[pentium]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Time to let the cat out.

The ISA card in question is the controller card for my VFX1 headset.
The reason that I want to run one of those video cards is that they output a stereographic signal (the Mini-DIN port)
Once I have finished with my current Linkbox I want to see if the stereo output from the card can be used to help eliminate components in the Linkbox.

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

@ pentium: you have an old lcd shutter glasses and an 8 bit isa controller.
Though drivers for win98 do exist, I would never use them unless you are willing to see every game looking as a low-res Wolfenstein 3d [yeah, I used to play Wolfenstein on my old 486dx with a (slow) Trident 8900c (so slooooow) and I could get a decent framerate only by switching to a 320x240 low resolution. Later I got an used Cirrus logic CL5420 and I could enjoy the [then] hi-res vga graphic ].
Lcd shutter glasses are still produced: I found a 2005 review, there are listed over 100 products.
Unless you are an 1980's nostalgic [do you own an Amiga, do you?], I'd look for a more recent pair of glasses. Of course it's all IMHO.

Zandrax

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

@ pentium: you have an old lcd shutter glasses and an 8 bit isa controller.
Though drivers for win98 do exist, I would never use them unless you are willing to see every game looking as a low-res Wolfenstein 3d [yeah, I used to play Wolfenstein on my old 486dx with a (slow) Trident 8900c (so slooooow) and I could get a decent framerate only by switching to a 320x240 low resolution. Later I got an used Cirrus logic CL5420 and I could enjoy the [then] hi-res vga graphic ].
Lcd shutter glasses are still produced: I found a 2005 review, there are listed over 100 products.
Unless you are an 1980's nostalgic [do you own an Amiga, do you?], I'd look for a more recent pair of glasses. Of course it's all IMHO.

Zandrax

I apologize for my bad grammar.
I noticed your VXF1 homemade controller thread after writing my post, so I'll add some information here.

Each lcd screen of your VXF1 pair of glasses has a native resolution of 263x230 pixels: the combined resolution (789x230: why 789 and not 526?) is roughly half a vga res (640x480). While it was stunning at the time, any resolution inferior to a svga one (800x600) is both limited and limiting nowadays.
If I were you, I'd look for the E-D 3D glasses: they are cheap enough ($100 + shipping the wireless version, $70 the wired one if you manage to find it) and are supposed to work on any Windows version and most graphic cards, nVidia ones through the official stereo Detonator and others through the generic E3D driver. They don't require a controller card, because they work by doubling the monitor's refresh frequency or, in short, sync-doubling: the card generates two images, one for each lcd screen, these are joint togheter and transmitted at a double frequency; the drawback is you should have a good quality crt monitor whose refresh at your working resolution is at least 120 Hz (2 * 60 Hz) in order to avoid eyestrain and, of course, a graphic card powerful enough, since it has to draw two images instead of one at the same time. Sadly, the manifacturer doesn't declare any native resolution and no reviewer inquired into it; however, the Guru3D review is a good start point.
A similar product, the iArt Eye3D, is sligthly more expensive and harder to get; besides this, it can reach a 2048x1536 resolution at 120 Hz. There are two reviews, the Guru3D and the Stereo3D ones.
If you are lucky and patient, you may even look for an used pair: years ago there were the Asus and the Elsa ones, bundled with their graphic cards.

Zandrax

[pentium]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Can we not get in to that? I was just looking for a specific board, I was not looking for an alternative for my VFX1.

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Can we not get in to that? I was just looking for a specific board, I was not looking for an alternative for my VFX1.

I had simply point out that alternatives exist, are affordable and, IMHO, more realistic then hoping one of few boards equipped with both an Agp pro and an Isa slot will be on sale someday. Perhaps a Pci controller for your headset would be an even better solution (no more "damn isa, where are you" talking ), but I had no luck while looking for.
Nevertheless I wont stop you from hoping this and from having fun in building the new controller: do it if you like doing it.

Just keep us updated.
Zandrax

[pentium]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

I just wanted to add a cool factor by using a Wildcat. If it's just too much work, I'll just drop it another board I have and use my Radeon 9600XT.

:P

[zandrax]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Well, better try first with a cheap board and a cheap card: if it all ok you can try with other components, if they get damaged you lose very little.
Destroing your long-awaited board with an hard-to-find OpenGl accelerator and an homebrew VR controller is a good way to drving you mad. Or, at least, to burn some money.

Zandrax

[pentium]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

Okay then. Go cheap and if it works there and I am okay with it I will got for something better.

[gdement]

Re: Did such Mobo configurations ever exist?

So what's wrong with the Biostar AMD761 board mentioned earlier in the thread? I don't see why that won't work.