Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Future Laptop Upgrade

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Future Laptop Upgrade

    As some may know. I currently use a Dell Latitude D630 as my college workhorse.

    It has set the record as the laptop I've used as a main unit for the longest... Before that, it was an ASUS EEEpc 1000HEb that was used for a year anr 4 months... the D630 has a year and 6 months on it so far.

    I probably won't be switching anytime soon... but this beast is 5.5 years old... I wouldn't call it ancient, but it's starting to show it's age. It's on it's 2nd battery (an NOS 9 cell I bought a year ago) and within the next year or so will be hosed (it has about 25% wear so far). The Vplume up and power buttons are worn blank.

    In addition, while having a T7700 C2D and 4gb DDR2, The gpu is a bit on the weak side (an nvidia nvs135M) and it's a bit behind on other things (no internal webcam, no SD reader, etc.). Those things I have external equivalents for, but they can be a bit klunky to say the least (good thing I have 4 USB ports!)

    Actually, for it's age, its not doing too bad... I really like it over all. But thinking towards the future, an eventual upgrade may be warranted. By eventual, I mean at least 3 months form now (perhaps this summer).

    FYI, in a laptop, Build quality is paramount to me. Ease of service is next, followed by linux compatibility. After that, Features come in (I love high res. screens; dual band N is nice too). Battery life is a consideration (since I'll use it to take notes in class). Looks are on the bottom of the list (but are always a plus).

    One option would be to upgrade some of the guts (CPU/RAM/HDD), get a fresh battery, and replace the hinge cover (which houses the worn buttons). The only advantage here is that I don't have to decommission my D series dell docks (the only higher D6xx model was the D631, which wasn't much of an upgrade). A lot if things cannot be upgraded, such as the GPU.

    However, There are a few other options I have

    1. I have a HP DV6810US coming in the mail as a potential fix and flip. It's actually slower than my D630 and has a lower resolutin screen (and doesn't have wireless N) but It does have better audio, an internal webcam, and a SD reader. The only benifit here is it will only cost $30 (the cost of the laptop) + a spare HDD (from the dead 1000HEb) + an optical drive.

    2. I have thought of getting either a newer used Latitude or Better yet, a Used precision. I seem to like the build quality of Dell's business grade Laptops... I was impressed with my D400, My D630, and my dad's D800.

    3. Some of the HP elitebooks didn't look half bad either. The ones with the tablet conversion looked pretty sweet. Anybody know how good the durability and build quality is on those (again, I'd b e getting a newer used one).

    4. I've also thought about Panasonic Toughbooks. I know they are pretty well built... but they also can cost a pretty penny, even used.

    All other brands, I'm kinda Meh on. I won't toch anything IBM or Lenovo (either too picky or too poorly made). After having swapped a screen on a beat up macbook, I'm not too impressed with anything apple (too many different screws used, stupid design choices, etc.)

    Nobody else AFAIK makes a comparable Business class laptop (or at least one as durable as business class). If i'm missing a Brand, please do tell!

    Any advice?
    sigpic

    (Insert witty quote here)

    #2
    Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

    Stick with the D630 or step it up to an E6400.

    I have a D630 as my work laptop. One of the best upgrades was replacing the 250gb WD Black drive with a 120gb Samsung SSD. I'm also only running 4gb, though they will take 8. I got around the short battery life by running a 2nd battery in place of the DVD drive.
    Ludicrous gibs!

    Comment


      #3
      Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

      It currently has a quasi-stock 160GB 5400RPM WD Scorpio Blue. I nver thought about upgrading that.

      Don't SSD's kill battery life? I thought I remembered reading about that... IIRC, it was because SSD's are always drawing full load.

      In addition, going to an SSD would also virtually mandate an 8gb Upgrade since swap would be gone. Between the fact that both partitions use x64 and I often have 5 zillion tabs open, It's not uncommon for quite a bit of RAM to be used (never more than 60%, but by then swap has long been hit).

      I'm also less keen on the fact that SSD's have wear leveling... I'm not sure how long it would take before the drive would shrivel up into a useless POS but the prospect sure doesn't sound good.

      I heard about the Bay batteries. I do happen to have a full size dock with a charging slot. My biggest beef is that NOS ones are a crap shoot (since they began production all the way back to the D600). Another slight issue is that I could no longer can use the DVD drive on the go (but I rarely do anyway).

      I'm trying not to spend good money on bad. I also want my investment to last... The cost of 8gb of DDR2 + a decent SSD + Bay batteries could buy a lot... At least $200+ For an already aging laptop, I find such amounts hard to justify.

      Let's not forget that my GPU *might* be subject to bumpgate. Supposedly Chips made in 2010 or later were not subject... and my GPU has a 2010 datecode (The service record show's it getting a new mainboard mid 2010)
      sigpic

      (Insert witty quote here)

      Comment


        #4
        Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

        I have used a 120gb Intel ssd for a long time now on my Lenovo laptop I got it used from a friend he also used it heavily.
        Also my 64gb Kingston ssd has lived through 3 builds its in the 3rd right now as my main computer (dell vostro 200)...

        the bottom line? Try an ssd, you will never want to go back to a mechanical drive!

        Comment


          #5
          Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

          Originally posted by shovenose View Post
          ... Try an ssd, you will never want to go back to a mechanical drive!
          I concur with this statement.

          Comment


            #6
            Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

            not sure if an SSD is the right option... the D630 appears to be stuck at Sata-150. Would a 7200 RPM Hdd be a more reasonable choice?
            sigpic

            (Insert witty quote here)

            Comment


              #7
              Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

              Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
              not sure if an SSD is the right option... the D630 appears to be stuck at Sata-150. Would a 7200 RPM Hdd be a more reasonable choice?
              SSD Will be faster. It's not about raw transfer rate, it's about every aspect. I don't give a shit whether you have IDE 133 or SATA 6Gbps an SSD will perform the best.

              Comment


                #8
                Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                Originally posted by shovenose View Post
                SSD Will be faster. It's not about raw transfer rate, it's about every aspect. I don't give a shit whether you have IDE 133 or SATA 6Gbps an SSD will perform the best.
                Yeah... but at $100+ a drive, I want to make sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck in the end. Don't forget the DDR2 8gb I'd need since there wouldn't be a swap partition anymore (without swap, if I overrun my 4gb, game over)...

                What I meant to ask was "given that I'm capped to SATA I, is it still worth the $$$ for an SSD + RAM, or would a used 7200RPM HDD be a better use of funds?"

                Let's evaluate the costs:

                SSD: I'd want at least a 100gb (since I dualboot)... and the best deal on a NEW (not used or refurb) decent (not shitty) SSD is:

                http://www.ebay.com/itm/OCZ-Vertex-3...item19d7ee4c51

                Ok, So we are at $95.

                Next, we need 8GB of DDR2. I'm OK with used on this, however, I saw no spectacular deals on used... and I'm also looking for decent brand:

                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820226047

                $130 + $95 = $225. And we haven't gotten to any battery upgrades yet.

                For a 5.5 year old laptop, I don't think so. Especially after spending a chunk of chane on a 4GB RAM upgrade 5 months ago. If one of you can justify that, then Please tell me what you're smoking...

                Maybe I could snipe some stuff on ebay... but given the demand of such items, that's no given to say the least.

                The only way I could make things sorta work (smaller SSD w/o a RAM upgrade) would be to run it linux only (no second W7 partition) and to only run it x32. I'd also have to really limit my RAM use just to be safe... And doing such just to use a SSD is self defeating, since all of those were things I originally tailored the laptop to do.

                That also ruled out a RAM upgrade by itself as an upgrade path. The $130 just for ram just isn't justifiable.

                So, aside from batteries and a Faster HDD, I don't see much I can really do with what I have without Tossing good money after bad.

                Taking what we have found out, If I were to go with a newer Laptop, here's a new guideline (if I am going to spend really serious $$$):

                -DDR3 compatible. Given the $$$ DDR2 Costs, If I want more than 4gb of RAM, There is no other way.

                EDIT: after looking around geeks.com, I saw that "grade B" D630's slower C2D's with & Home Premium are going for around $230... So maybe my D630 isn't quite as worthless as I thought. Still, I don't see a RAM upgrade (or an SSD swap) in the cards.
                Last edited by ratdude747; 01-03-2013, 09:41 PM.
                sigpic

                (Insert witty quote here)

                Comment


                  #9
                  Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                  I'm lucky. Every year at least a third of the company notebooks turn 3 years old, and get replaced. I get to purchase an old one for a very reasonable price. Just replaced my D830 with an E6500. Tweaked the registry and just moved the ssd over. Booted and installed a few drivers, and done. Not that the D830 was bad, still worked very well, but slow Wireless G and a marginal battery.
                  The Latitudes are solid, and there's tons of parts on Ebay if needed.
                  36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

                  Comment


                    #10
                    Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                    Originally posted by smason View Post
                    I'm lucky. Every year at least a third of the company notebooks turn 3 years old, and get replaced. I get to purchase an old one for a very reasonable price. Just replaced my D830 with an E6500. Tweaked the registry and just moved the ssd over. Booted and installed a few drivers, and done. Not that the D830 was bad, still worked very well, but slow Wireless G and a marginal battery.
                    The Latitudes are solid, and there's tons of parts on Ebay if needed.
                    FYI, you could have gotten a dell edition intel 4965AGN for < $15 for the D830... I had a buddy with a spare one that he sold me for $7 that was a prefect fit inside my D630.

                    Yeah, I love how well built the latitudes and Precisons are... My d400 Once fell out of a parked car, only suffered a nasty scuff. The d630 fell from a desk onto a carpeted concrete floor, no harm done.

                    Easy to work on, too; a Fan cleanout/CPU compound job on the D630 only took 30 mins today... and it was easy. Only a few different type screws used, and overall not a lot of fussing.

                    I just don't think it's wise to spend $225+ the cost of another battery on it and then to expect it to be my main laptop for the next 2 years or so. It will be a 7.5/8 year old laptop by then...

                    $500-$600 will semi-easily get me a Dell Latitude D6xxx with a core i seires CPU and DDR3... although that might take a RAM upgrade on top of that to get it up to par (4gb or more).

                    IDK. If this were YOUR laptop, and you were going to upgrade somehow in the next 6 months, which would you choose and why?
                    sigpic

                    (Insert witty quote here)

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                      I would buy a brand new laptop. But that's just me

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                        Originally posted by shovenose View Post
                        I would buy a brand new laptop. But that's just me
                        Unless I want crappy Walmart Quality, Brand New isn't in the budget.
                        sigpic

                        (Insert witty quote here)

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                          FYI, until now, When I said D631, I meant the D630C.

                          The D631 is actually a rare AMD based variant of the D630... the D531 on steroids (they had ATI X1270 128mb GPUs). They also seem to be very had to find, as fleabay had literally nothing (not even a base to one missing a screen). They must have existed at one point, as geeks.com used to sell them as refurbs.
                          sigpic

                          (Insert witty quote here)

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                            Reading Mode... I Read all Comments After i Give my Idea.... reading Mode

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                              I'd be wary of HP - some of their models had some rather poorly designed cooling and tended to eventually cook the graphics.

                              Comment


                                #16
                                Originally posted by Blargh523 View Post
                                I'd be wary of HP - some of their models had some rather poorly designed cooling and tended to eventually cook the graphics.
                                I know some of the pavilions had issues... I'm pretty good about keeping my laptop coolers clean (my heaviest use laptops get a cleaning once every 3-5 months).

                                Originally posted by lorins_core View Post
                                Reading Mode... I Read all Comments After i Give my Idea.... reading Mode
                                Not trying to be a prick... but that post was pointless.
                                sigpic

                                (Insert witty quote here)

                                Comment


                                  #17
                                  Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                                  My private laptop is a Latitude E4310 with a SSD and my work laptop is a spanking new HP Elitebook 2570p with a rotary disk, both are i5 based.

                                  The two laptops should be rather similar in use, and they are both decent computers. It's hard to quantify the difference (there are tests for sure), but the E4310 is so much "smother" in most everything.

                                  The only regret I have about putting the SSD in the E4310, was that I bought to small (120 GB), but I've already bought a nice Vertex 4 240 GB that's waiting to be put in it, and the 120 GB will go in to one of my C2D laptops. I don't think I will put a standard rotary disk as OS disk in any of my private computers ever again. I might consider a hybrid if I needed a laptop with need for a lot of storage space.
                                  ------------
                                  Be a mensch

                                  Comment


                                    #18
                                    Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                                    Originally posted by shovenose View Post
                                    I would buy a brand new laptop. But that's just me
                                    Well, my thoughts... No radical changes in notebook CPUs in the last 3 years.
                                    So I can buy a new Latitude for $1600 or so, or a 3 year old unit that still works really well for $250.00. Ok, the Intel i series perform better then the Core 2s did, but the Core 2 8700 is no slouch. So an E6500 with an 8700 4GB of RAM etc for $250.00 Hmmm let me think.... YES!
                                    36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

                                    Comment


                                      #19
                                      Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                                      Originally posted by Blargh523 View Post
                                      I'd be wary of HP - some of their models had some rather poorly designed cooling and tended to eventually cook the graphics.
                                      You couldn't run fast enough to give me a free HP laptop.
                                      36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

                                      Comment


                                        #20
                                        Re: Future Laptop Upgrade

                                        Originally posted by smason View Post
                                        You couldn't run fast enough to give me a free HP laptop.
                                        I bought one for $30.

                                        It needs a HDD (which I have already)... and if I can't fix it, a New optical drive. I figured that in the worst case there are more than $30 of parts present.

                                        What does that make me?
                                        sigpic

                                        (Insert witty quote here)

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X