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  • Oklahoma Wolf
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    • Dec 2005
    • 353

    #1

    A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

    Thought some of you might be interested in how I spent some of my Thursday. The mail contained two advertised as not working FIC AU31 motherboards I had won for $10 Canadian each on eBay, and since I knew about the PSU quality in Emachines I figured I would roll the dice on two of the boards and see if I actually got a good one for dirt cheap. I figured even if only one worked, $20 Canadian total was a good deal.

    So, I sat down with my recently recapped Antec SL350, an old stick of PC2700, an old Duron 700 with heatsink, and proceeded to test both boards. The only visible difference between them was a "FSB 400MHz" sticker on the second one I tested. Caps were the same on both... Nichicon HM around the CPU socket, a few Sanyo WX, the occasional Rubycon, one OST, and a bunch of smaller Teapo.

    Board 1 I started testing with just the CPU fan connected - it powered itself down after a few seconds. Decided to try the memory and CPU too... nothing. Should have gone at it first with the DMM to be sure it wasn't going to roast my memory and CPU, but the DMM told me it needed a new battery when I tried it. Gave in to impatience then and decided my testing parts were old enough I would take the risk. At any rate, the southbridge ran red hot - almost burned my fingers. So, that one looks to be dead. I'll use it for parts.

    Board 2 was another story. It stayed alive when run without RAM or CPU, and nothing ran as hot as the southbridge of the first. Memory and CPU switched over from the first board - this board works perfectly.

    So, that's how I spent my afternoon yesterday
  • Oklahoma Wolf
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    • Dec 2005
    • 353

    #2
    Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

    Ok, spoke too soon on the "perfectly" board. For a while it was fine, it lasted two hours through installing XP, and then the video went away completely. Monitor just went right into sleep mode for no reason. Board did not lock up when this happened... I could still hear the hard drive at work, and I was able to power it down from soft off - even heard the Windows shutdown sound.

    Reboot did nothing to get video back. Powering off via the PSU switch got it back for about 5 seconds, then it went away again. Was not able to get back into Windows with a PCI video card, but an AGP video card booted Windows again and all was well.

    I'd like to avoid using an external AGP card on this board if possible, so if there are any suggestions on stuff to check on the board I would appreciate them. Turns out I was wrong about the caps being identical to the other board... this one has Chemicon KZE replacing the Sanyo WX caps near the northbridge. One of the Chemicons has part of the outer coating rubbed away, and has a bit of an abnormal lean to it. Doesn't appear to be leaking or bulging at the base though. The other may or may not have a slight bulge - really hard to tell.

    No caps are obviously in trouble on this board, but I wonder if I should start replacing some of them anyway. Here's the full compliment of them over 820uf:

    Nichicon HM 2200uf 6.3v x8
    Nichicon HD 820uf 25v x3
    Rubycon ZL 1500uf 10v x1
    OST 1000uf 10v x1
    Chemicon KZE 1000uf 10v x2
    Sanyo CA 1000uf 6.3v x4

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    • linuxguru
      Badcaps Legend
      • Apr 2005
      • 1564

      #3
      Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

      Replace the 1 x OST 1000 uF/10v and the 2 Chemicons near the Northbridge and see how it goes. If there's no change, replace the 8 x Nichicon HMs as well.

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      • Oklahoma Wolf
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        • Dec 2005
        • 353

        #4
        Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

        Thanks, will do. Fortunately I have Panasonic FM and Chemicon KY replacements for all but the 820uf, which I could get from the dead board if needed (they're Rubycon on that board I think). The ones near the northbridge are 6mm, but I think I can get my 10mm KY's in there without too many problems.

        Was also debating digging out my old Acer VGA monitor to see what actually happens to the signal when the video goes nuts... it's too old to power itself down, so I'd see everything.

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        • arneson
          Badcaps Legend
          • Sep 2005
          • 1267

          #5
          Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

          Originally posted by Oklahoma Wolf
          my old Acer VGA monitor to see what actually happens to the signal when the video goes nuts... it's too old to power itself down, so I'd see everything.
          WOLF, What an excellent tip.
          I recently pitched a bunch of small old monitors thinking they had no use.
          Met a guy at an auction said he loves them for target practice, they shatter good at 100 yards.
          Jim

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          • Oklahoma Wolf
            Badcaps Veteran
            • Dec 2005
            • 353

            #6
            Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

            I almost threw this one out myself a few years back, but it was my first color monitor so I didn't out of nostalgia. That, and it has a very nice Hitachi CRT I didn't want to just toss out either. Can still remember paying $125 for it used back in my 386sx days.

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            • Mustang
              Badcaps Veteran
              • Dec 2003
              • 203

              #7
              Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

              In my experience with that board, I replaced the Nichicon HM series caps with Rubycon KZG's. The caps looked fine but were on the bad cap list. Those 820uf's were also replaced as they seemed a bit weak considering the location. 1500uf 16v nichicon HE's were the replacements. The board would have spontaneous reboots and severe video corruption before the recap but runs well (albeit slowly) after new caps. The PSU was also recapped so it's hard to say what corrected the problems. One point to note with the onboard video enabled. Memory speed will default to 333mhz. The chipset can't run onboard video and a 400mhz mem clock at the same time. With a hacked BIOS you can get around 376mhz out of the memory before it gets unstable. With an AGP card installed, 400mhz runs fine although you still need that hacked BIOS to set it at 400mhz.

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              • Oklahoma Wolf
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                • Dec 2005
                • 353

                #8
                Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                Thanks for the comments - not sure I have brand new replacements for the 820's... are they run at 12v on this board? They probably are since they're next to the mosfets. I think I'll do the Nichicons anyway... I have a pile of brand new Panasonic FM's not getting used, and I like this board enough to want to make the effort.

                I was wrong again about the dead board's caps - the 820's on there are Sanyo WX. Hope they're still good (probably are).

                The video problems in this case can't be the PSU - tried it with both my recapped SL350 and my Fortron 530W.

                I flashed that hacked bios as soon as I had problems with the board - some settings don't work for me but I'm glad I can now run memory synched with the FSB

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                • Mustang
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                  • Dec 2003
                  • 203

                  #9
                  Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                  I'm not sure what voltage the 820's run so I went with a safe 16v cap. Do you have 1000uf 16v caps (or higher) you can replace the 820's with?

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                  • Oklahoma Wolf
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                    • Dec 2005
                    • 353

                    #10
                    Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                    I have nothing in 16v or better... my Digikey order was built around my Aopen AK79G-Max (another nForce2 IGP board), which uses 5v for the CPU VRM. As a consequence, all caps were 10v or less.

                    I did get a couple 1500uf 16v Panny FC caps, but they've both been used now in recapping Antec and CWT PSU's. I have the original Fuhjyyu caps from those, but you can imagine what state they're in

                    So, if I do the 820's, I pretty much have to use the other AU31 and its Sanyos as a source if I don't want to order more caps.

                    Edit - any comments on replacing that one Ruby? I do have a replacement for it.
                    Last edited by Oklahoma Wolf; 03-04-2006, 01:15 PM.

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                    • willawake
                      Super Modulator
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 8457
                      • Greece

                      #11
                      Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                      In my experience with that board, I replaced the Nichicon HM series caps with Rubycon KZG's. The caps looked fine but were on the bad cap list.
                      i dont think they were ever on the badcaps list except for the overfilled electrolyte fiasco batch, they were on the dont purchase list for a while rather. we have mixed experience on the forum with them though. your post suggests they were bad on your board however, considering that nichicon HN HM from the fiasco batch were usually visibly failing, were there other QC issues during time with these caps?

                      what is the possibility that the dielectric is not being formed that well over time when say 16v caps are used on a 5v line. some board manufacturers obviously dont think it is an issue when they put 25v caps where there should be 6.3v. is this an issue at all or just BS. when proper manufacture includes adequate duration of aging the caps, it shoud not be an issue right?
                      Last edited by willawake; 03-04-2006, 03:12 PM.
                      capacitor lab yachtmati techmati

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                      • Mustang
                        Badcaps Veteran
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 203

                        #12
                        Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                        I stand corrected on the "don't purchase list" Not 1 cap on the board was visibly bad. Since the Nichicons were in question, I replaced them just to be safe. In fact all caps 1000uf and up were replaced with the exception of the Sanyo's. Since the board had problems before the recap and is fine now, I would assume there was a cap issue. It's possible replacing the 820's with the 1500's resolved the problem but I have no way of knowing for sure. It's just a subjective opinion on my part

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                        • Oklahoma Wolf
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                          • Dec 2005
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                          #13
                          Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                          The patient is out of surgery and doing fine. It's been alive for 10 minutes and counting with no video glitches. I replaced the two Chemicons with Panasonic FM 6mm caps I hadn't realized I ordered, replaced the Nichicon HM's with Panasonic FM, replaced the OST and two of the Sanyos with Chemicon KY. One of the Chemicon KZE's appeared to indeed be bulging very slightly at the top.

                          Things did get interesting, especially when I got to the Sanyo caps near the northbridge. A picture is worth a thousand words in this case:



                          This one felt a bit loose to me even before I put the iron to it. I had to push on the lead from the underside with the iron to get this one out.

                          Nothing else of note happened really... I left the Ruby, the 820's, and the other Sanyos alone. Still a couple low value OST caps on there, but I'm leaving them be for now.

                          Edit - so the second I comment about it doing fine it has to go prove me wrong and knock out video again. Guess I'm off to dig out that old VGA monitor.
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                          Last edited by Oklahoma Wolf; 03-05-2006, 03:04 PM.

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                          • Oklahoma Wolf
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                            • Dec 2005
                            • 353

                            #14
                            Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                            More info - the video desynchs and goes out of the monitor's scanning range when it acts up.

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                            • PeteS in CA
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                              • Aug 2005
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                              #15
                              Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                              Things did get interesting, especially when I got to the Sanyo caps near the northbridge. A picture is worth a thousand words in this case
                              Looks like one of the leads is no longer attached to the foil inside.
                              PeteS in CA

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                              • Oklahoma Wolf
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                                • Dec 2005
                                • 353

                                #16
                                Re: A Tale of Two Emachines Boards

                                Yep.

                                I should be more specific on the video - it looks like it loses vertical sync. On the old VGA, it looks like the video is there but rolling at a very high frequency.

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