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    #1

    ubuntu vs fedora

    as many may know, i have been known to be a ubuntu lover. well, that has changed.

    my laptop was having hell with ubuntu. it had the dreaded 855gm graphics amoung other issues...

    just for kicks, i tried fedora 14 on it, and now that i have the hang of it, so many things finally work:
    • my 2nd usb port finally hotplugs with my mouse
    • i can run gnome 3 and make it actually work well (will be better once i get more ram in it)
    • it saw the shared priter attached to my server... and installed it automatically
    • broadcom wifi works out of the box
    • did i mention gnome 3?
    • TORCS and foobillard (3d) work... i was surprised....


    actaully the only 2 things that don't work are:
    • bluetooth DUN is still a passkey entering race (may be my POS phone...)
    • samba and file sharing is failing (and yes, i activated samba in the firewall)


    i will eventually fix the samba file issue... i think the reason ubuntu is still buggy is they are cramming features without fixing the old ones first. they are marketing a 18-tool swiss army knife with 10 broken tools. fedora is marketing a 12 tool swiss army knife that has 12 working and polished tools. guess which one is better?

    ps- the default wallpaper is a hands down win for fedora... it actaully looks good and not like a spilled puddle of paint.

    my other linux box is my server which has been flawless with ubuntu... if i ever get my main rig alive, it will likely be fedora'd due to the working state of gnome 3.

    any comments?

    edit- samba is working now... sweet! everything that was broke in ubuntu (except for DUN) is now alive... and nothing that was alive is now dead... fedora owns!
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    Re: ubuntu vs fedora

    I dislike Ubuntu's 6-month cycle. It is just too much, too fast for me. As soon as you get your system finally running how you like, the next version of Ubuntu comes out and now you're outdated.

    Glad you found a distro you like. I tried about half a dozen before I gave up and decided to stick with Windows.

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      #3
      Re: ubuntu vs fedora

      There's a few I like. Ubuntu hasn't been too bad (and I used on the briefcase for a while untill the HDD died and I installed windows on the new one). Mandriva has been good too. I haven't played with fedora much. I have an old 600MHz Pentium III laptop and it runs Vector linux. The one thing that annoys me about all linux distros is that not everything works through wine and it's not a great gaming platform.
      I love putting bad caps and flat batteries in fire and watching them explode!!

      No wonder it doesn't work! You installed the jumper wires backwards

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        #4
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        i liked ubuntu until it got too mac-ish. mac os is great, but linux is not meant to be mac. they also seem to be putting more features where i don't care and less where i care... mostly social chat crap... my limit is facebook... beyond that, i do nothing of that... no skype (unless i must), none of the other crap. just email and facebook with the occasional text on the phone.

        wine may never get fully done... it depends on how deep into the windows core the program goes... i prefer to dualboot (my laptop has a 60gb drive with 35gb fedora and 25gb win xp pro)

        i edit my wallpaper while i was at it... attached. wlg may find it familiar...
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          #5
          Re: ubuntu vs fedora

          Good stuff!

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            #6
            Re: ubuntu vs fedora

            the wallpaper?

            i read ubuntu is ditching gnome and using some weird unity interface for the next release (11.04)... sounds like more social crap, ill take fedora 15 with gnome 3, thank you...
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              #7
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              Fedora is trash. Aptitude pwns RPM. Changing OS because you won't figure out how to diagnose drivers is laziness.

              855GM problems are well documented, it should be recompiled from source. I've recompiled Intel drivers for my G965, it is very easy.

              Gnome is garbage, the new KDE with Dolphin absolutely puts Gnome to shame.

              Samba works great on latest Dolphin, though earlier revisions did have some quirks.

              I don't see a reason to switch. Ubuntu 10.10 is absolutely excellent.
              "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

              -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                #8
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                question- why do you piss on all my threads?

                the intel 8xx issue was more than a ubuntu issue... intel chenged the driver to make the 9xx chips better but left the 8xx ones out of luck. how fedora is making 3d work on my laptop is unknown to me...

                i have had no issues with rpm. not that i had any with apt either... but either works.

                gnome rules. kde? nah... tried it, hated it. too many k's and q's... and i never liked the layout. most of my favorite programs are gtk anyway...

                have you tried gnome 3? recently?

                ubuntu 10.10 may be ok for non 8xx systems, but 11.04 will suck with the unity theme...
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                  Re: ubuntu vs fedora

                  Because I do not like Fedora. You can see my post about Fedora on the Ubuntu forum from a while back.

                  Regarding the 855... Yes, I do remember reading about it, and it is widely discussed in the Ubuntu forums - as well as how to resolve it.

                  RPM has terrible interoperability between different versions of Fedora, never mind different RPM platforms.

                  You can run many GTK stuff without installing the myriad of gnome dependencies in KDE. The only thing I miss from gnome is gedit.

                  I've seen screenshots of it, and I was not impressed. Have you tried Dolphin?

                  Like I said, learn how to use Linux... Fix your problem in Ubuntu. Running to Fedora is an excecise in futility. Today this will work in Fedora, tommorow this will work in Mandriva... This is all just distro update cycles. One time I remember even Debian was ahead of Ubuntu, but if you learn to recompile the kernel and resolve dependencies, then you'll never need anything other than Debian (Ubuntu).
                  "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

                  -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                    #10
                    Re: ubuntu vs fedora

                    The problem i have with Ubuntu is their absolutely inflexible support forum. If you suggest something you are quickly shown the door. They also make stupid decisions about the default programs (just look at Netbook Remix - no file manager shortcut by default? WTF???). And as far as "learn to use Linux" goes - there's no terminal shortcut in Netbook Remix either. Sure this wouldn't be a problem as it prevents confusing beginners - that is, if it actually worked right. There are no less than three power profiles on battery (depending on how much you have left) in Netbook Remix, all three are wrong. And to top it off they can't be fixed with the "standard" utilities, you have to hunt for those pesky config files. Oh, and did i mention that they LOCKED DOWN THE GNOME PANEL? Talk about incompetence.

                    I haven't played much with Fedora but i like Mandriva.
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                      #11
                      Re: ubuntu vs fedora

                      My IT man at work introduced me to Lenux with the Fedora OS. I kept updating the OS until Fedora 10, and have had no problems so just left it on this machine. I have been running Fedora 10 since its release, and no BSOD!

                      When I tinker with a computer, and need an OS to test it with, I don't have to be a Microsoft pirate. Just load Ubuntu. Free, and it will tell you if the computer is working or not. From what little I have learned about Fedora, you can make software patches and simple fixes, but Ubuntu seems to be so difficult and awkward. Just use as is and be happy!

                      For playing mp3 files I like to use Audacious, formerly XMMS. It is the linux version of WinAmp. I tried some programs from "Jack" but never could figure them out. Guess it is not for the simple minded.
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                        Re: ubuntu vs fedora

                        Yea, too bad Audacious removed the default winamp-styled skin - been out of the Linux arena for an year or so, and i had a bit of a shock when i saw how Audacious looked in Ubuntu Netbook Remix. Fortunately i found the skin and was able to enjoy it once again.
                        Originally posted by PeteS in CA
                        Remember that by the time consequences of a short-sighted decision are experienced, the idiot who made the bad decision may have already been promoted or moved on to a better job at another company.
                        A working TV? How boring!

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                          #13
                          Re: Mandriva

                          Originally posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 View Post
                          I haven't played much with Fedora but i like Mandriva.
                          I wouldn't have started using Linux and wouldn't be on this forum today if it wan't for Mandriva 8.0.

                          It was the ONLY Linux distro that I was able to load when I started into this several years ago.

                          I had real trouble burning Live-ISOs using Nero, Mandriva was the only one that worked. What a thrill my first load of Mandriva 8.0 was. I had to sort out hardware problems along the way.

                          A lot of my old CD-ROMs would not spin fast enought to load the O/S.
                          I had trouble with motherboards that would *almost* load the OS.
                          I think I recapped my first board to get it to load Mandriva.

                          I finally figured out that I needed a really good CD burner. I had to abandon Mandriva when 9.0 didn't work for me. Turns out the mirror I was using was flakey.

                          Think I went to Ubuntu 8.10 next.

                          Now that I have gotten the hang of it, I have tried other distros with success. Tried Mint, liked it, tried Gentoo, didn't like it.

                          Sometimes I'll drag one of my old boxes out of the basement and find I loaded it with Mandriva 8. I liked that distro very much, especially the Hardware tool and the screensaver slide show. I still use K3B all the time.

                          I should try latest Mandriva over the holidays!

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                            #14
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                            i tried mandriva but the star logo was glaring.

                            .deb is no compatibility queen either... ian murdock disowned ubuntu as a debian fork due to binary mixmatches.

                            they make alien (deb to rpm and vice vera converter)... so who really cares.

                            all the ubuntu 10.10 fixes were either vesa (no 3d) or 10.4 only. i cradshed the laptop trying them... fedora worked ootb. just because i can fix things doesn't mean i enjoy fixing them.
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                              #15
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                              I've been a RedHat guy since 5.somthing used Fedora for a while, but it's a bit bleeding edge, and changes a bit too fast.
                              I've since switched to Centos (basically RedHat Enterprise minus a few things that aren't licensed under Gnu) for corporate stuff, and stuff that needs to be stable and consistant and it's rock solid.
                              36 Monitors, 3 TVs, 4 Laptops, 1 motherboard, 1 Printer, 1 iMac, 2 hard drive docks and one IP Phone repaired so far....

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                                #16
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                                .deb is no compatibility queen either... ian murdock disowned ubuntu as a debian fork due to binary mixmatches.
                                Deb is leaps and bounds better than RPM in this respect. Interoperability betweeen Debian derivatives is simply amazing.
                                they make alien (deb to rpm and vice vera converter)... so who really cares.
                                I would never let a utility like that anywhere near my system. And if someone did, I would have to reformat and start from fresh.
                                all the ubuntu 10.10 fixes were either vesa (no 3d) or 10.4 only. i cradshed the laptop trying them... fedora worked ootb. just because i can fix things doesn't mean i enjoy fixing them.
                                No pain, no gain. When I want to use my Realtek wireless NIC with Backtrack, I first have to unload all the modules by hand, manually compile the one from Realtek's site and then load them. If I use the one that comes with backtrack, it crashes. How do you think I learned to do this? By switching distros? Besides, where are you gonna find something as good as backtrack?
                                "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

                                -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                                  #17
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                                  its called realtek sucks... lame quality. just because you think making things work out of the box is for wimps doesn't make you right. if that were the case, everybody would be driving kia's... EVERYBODY.

                                  this thread was meant to be a discussion of facorite distro's. not a "who's a p-ssy" bashfest. can we agree to disagree?
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                                    #18
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                                    Its about the buttons, isn't it? I tried 10.10 and it had social crap and mac buttons. I tried to "fix" the mac buttons but they wouldn't go away. Luckily mint 10.10 has them on the correct side. Everything works out of the box.

                                    Can't wait for this to get going:

                                    http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php

                                    Rolling distro will take care of having to reinstall.

                                    I should try the new KDE. I've been gone since 3.5, thats when it turned into windows vista. They dropped the ball "copying" microsoft and now gnome is ahead. Maybe the nightmare buttons will change that.

                                    Want a real challenge? Find a linux firewall that monitors outgoing connections allow/deny style like eset smart security, zone alarm, etc.

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                                      #19
                                      Re: ubuntu vs fedora

                                      Originally posted by ratdude747 View Post
                                      its called realtek sucks... lame quality.
                                      Actually this RTL8185 which I found in the trash is by far the best desktop wireless card I have used to date. I've tried Prism, Atheros... The 8185 get's a better signal by far. You wouldn't believe the distance of networks I've hac... um, I mean accessed with this thing.

                                      If you expect hardware to work out of the box with Linux you're delusional. It's true that a lot of stuff does, but don't expect the kind of functionality you get with Windows. Programmers simply don't care that much about it, because it's not profitable to program for Linux.

                                      And even with this, there is still incredible wifi support in Linux.
                                      "We have offered them (the Arabs) a sensible way for so many years. But no, they wanted to fight. Fine! We gave them technology, the latest, the kind even Vietnam didn't have. They had double superiority in tanks and aircraft, triple in artillery, and in air defense and anti-tank weapons they had absolute supremacy. And what? Once again they were beaten. Once again they scrammed [sic]. Once again they screamed for us to come save them. Sadat woke me up in the middle of the night twice over the phone, 'Save me!' He demanded to send Soviet troops, and immediately! No! We are not going to fight for them."

                                      -Leonid Brezhnev (On the Yom Kippur War)

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                                        #20
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                                        The "best" card - the Alfa use the RTL8187L. Even better than the RTL8185 (which I have two of - still good!)

                                        I think there are two versions, the L and B.. one is not as good as the other (worse Rx sensitivity)
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