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  • bushytails
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    • Dec 2004
    • 217

    #1

    Worth replacing a couple yellow (bleep)s to test?

    I got a free system from someone, with mostly unknown history. Sony VAIO PCV-RX470DS, p4 1.5ghz, "WMT-LE" motherboard, came with 128mb rdram and ONE crimm. After it stopped working, the teenager pulled it into a million or so pieces and did god knows what with it, pronouncing that either the motherboard or the video card were bad and he didn't know which. Later testing showed that the monitor was bad, by plugging it into a working computer and getting no video.

    Most notable problems upon getting it were the dismantled cpu fansink (fan unscrewed from heatsink) and the missing crimm. bought a pair of crimms and reassembled the fansink, power on... fans and lights, nothing else. tried a new power supply, no change. figured out I probably had the ram in wrong, swapped the modules around, and got long-short-short beep pattern. tried new ram, no change. tried new video card, no change. tried pci instead of agp video, no change. cleared cmos, no change. nothing I try (except pulling out the ram) changes the long-short-short beep. (and, of course, absolutely nothing is connected to the board except power and the only card is the video cards I've tried)

    Since the monitor was found to be bad, and the board was all Rubycons (or so I thought), I figured the "tech" had toasted something in the troubleshooting, and it went in the dead boxes pile. sad, since it's the fastest system I own by a factor of two...

    Upon seeing the thread about the little yellow mystery caps, I remembered there were a couple off in the corner of the board, and dug it out of the closet to check. And sure enough, there's two little yellow ones, by the atx connector and ram slots, with vrm parts next to them, and very, very, very slightly domed tops.

    Fresh off the digicam: http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/p1010003.jpg (note that this board seems to use the shaded half of the mask for the positive side, as they even have little + signs next to the shaded halves)

    Think it's worth fixing my desoldering station (it's dead AGAIN) and replacing those two yellow caps, or just decide that since the monitor was shown to be the problem, the board was likely destroyed by the guy who took it apart? or for that matter, anything else I should check before giving up?


    --Randy
    Last edited by bushytails; 05-03-2005, 05:35 PM.
  • willawake
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    • Nov 2003
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    #2


    your pic is uploaded....you know those caps have no electrolyte? it would be interesting if they were failing another way though. why not replace them you have probably tried everything else. check for trace damages or detached smd parts....you know teenagers. blow some dust off, maybe you will see better lol

    Asus WMT-LE board.... long-short-short = video problem.

    you did plug in the 12v cable right? lol

    this board seems to use the shaded half of the mask for the positive side
    typical asus

    nice caps on the board though, got some tantalums, ruby zl, i see an oscon also. those yellow caps prolly should be replaced with larger values if you are using lytics instead. i guess double?
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    • Chris1992
      Badcaps Veteran
      • Apr 2005
      • 561

      #3
      Originally posted by willawake
      you know those caps have no electrolyte?
      Yeah. Read the thread in 'known badcap brands'. And I'd say it might be worth the trouble. Have you tried it with a 'known good' CPU?
      Last edited by Chris1992; 05-04-2005, 06:07 AM.
      The great capacitor showdown!

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      • willawake
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        • Nov 2003
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        #4
        it would be interesting if they were failing another way though
        read that bit Chris

        Bushy : considered whether the kid did a bad bios flash?.....prolly unlikely if it was the monitor that failed first
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        • bushytails
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          • Dec 2004
          • 217

          #5
          You sure those aren't standard electrolytics? I think it's the smt can ones that are supposed to be the polymer ones? or am I mistaken? they have vents too...

          Yes, 12v cable was connected, with both power supplies.

          Don't have a spare cpu... this is the only pentium 4 system I have. everything else is older.

          I'd replace them with 6.3v 1200uf, as that's what I have. (nichicon PW series)

          Video problem was my guess too, hence trying four video cards.

          I considered a bad bios flash, but couldn't find any automagic bios restore features for this board, and since the bios isn't socketed, a bad bios flash and a bad board are equivelent.

          And I even looked around the fansink, rimms, and other often-damaged areas and didn't find any broken bits.


          --Randy

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          • bushytails
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            • Dec 2004
            • 217

            #6
            funky. pulled it all apart to check for anything I missed, put it mostly back together... and POST! finished putting it back together, no post. tried changing about a thousand things, and now it seems it will only post with one of my old pci video cards, and nothing else. known-working agp cards -> no post. sometimes beeps. And what's more, it only works with ONE of my old pci video cards, no others.

            *now* I'm stumped.

            --Randy

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            • willawake
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              • Nov 2003
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              #7
              i took one apart (see the other thread) it didnt look like a teapo anway. i think they are solid polymer but evidence indicates some point of failure. shit you have tried everything. might as well recap them, you could stoop to our level and not use a desoldering iron heh.

              no socketed bios, yuck.

              lol i took so long to make my post you already POSTed and posted.....something wrong with the connection to AGP slot then

              did you get rid of all that friggin dust yet?
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              • bushytails
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                • Dec 2004
                • 217

                #8
                it's not just the agp slot. it only works with one of my old pci video cards. I have several. only one of them makes it work.

                not actually that much dust on it... the board's really pretty clean.

                These caps are going to be a pain to do without a desoldering iron... the leads are directly in the ground plane, and NOT masked around, i.e. the pins are surrounded by flat solder...

                Probably what I'm going to try though. bad vrm caps could certainly explain a random problem like this.

                --Randy

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                • willawake
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                  • Nov 2003
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                  #9
                  the leads are directly in the ground plane, and NOT masked around, i.e. the pins are surrounded by flat solder...
                  O How Our Hearts Bleed For The Suffering People without a working Desoldering Iron.....

                  it's not just the agp slot. it only works with one of my old pci video cards. I have several. only one of them makes it work.
                  it is truly sent from the devil that machine

                  lol.....we make crap......"YOU make it a SONY"
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                  • bushytails
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                    • Dec 2004
                    • 217

                    #10
                    Fixed desoldering station, replaced the two slightly-buldgy yellow caps with 1200uf nichicons,... no change whatsoever.

                    still only POSTs with that one old pci card, and nothing else...

                    --Randy

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                    • willawake
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                      • Nov 2003
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                      #11
                      only thing left to do is get out the lab equipment and start probing around, see if anything is not right. can only be a chipset issue really?

                      when you boot with the special pci graphics card, you can get into full bios options right, so the bios seems ok? what is so special about that card anyway....the only thing i can think of is low voltage requirements.

                      only other thing is to check the processor for pins bent or detached.

                      Its like another thread i saw where the pc had boot problems nobody could troubleshoot. Turned out the motherboard had been badly installed and was shorting against a standoff. I hope its gonna be one of those DOH! moments but maybe not.
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                      • bushytails
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                        • Dec 2004
                        • 217

                        #12
                        Already checked both CPU pins and that the board isn't hitting anything.

                        I'm pretty convinced it's time to give up... anyone have a socket 423 p4 motherboard (preferably with firewire) they don't need and want to ship my way? heh...

                        The bios appears to have very, very, very few options. I can only think sony ships a modified idiot-proof version.

                        With a cd-rom plugged in, I can boot my memtest86 cd, and it seems to pass tests with flying colors... my linux rescue cd won't boot, but I think it's the drive (a 16x cd-rom I got free at a garage sale), as I hear it retrying constantly.


                        --Randy
                        Last edited by bushytails; 05-05-2005, 10:39 AM.

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                        • bushytails
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                          • Dec 2004
                          • 217

                          #13
                          It seems like as long as I keep in this video card, and don't try agp, the board works fine... about to start a debian install on it.

                          passes all memtest86 tests, network works, etc, etc... just no AGP. go figure... can't use it as a desktop box, but I might add it to the renderfarm.

                          --Randy

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                          • willawake
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                            #14
                            lol you cant boot with an AGP and the PCI card in at the same time?

                            glad its gonna get some use anyway....
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